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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He's the President. The higher office always carries the greater obligation for leadership and a good example.
    And in that, Obama has been a really, really, poor choice, and has not raised to the standard or the need of the country.

    Quite a winner you guys picked.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    When discussing the origins of ISIS, it's spot on.

    Knowing that Shiites were the majority in Iraq, it didn't take a genius to see who would win an election or who they were allied with. Your boy Bush practically handed Iraq to Iran on a silver platter by forcing that election on a population that believes more in Sharia law than it does democracy.
    Iraq was always going to have a Shia government under any democratic regime. That's no more a policy choice than the Sun rising in the east. As for the Sunni insurgents, they were largely erased by the Surge in 2007 (and Zarqawi had already been killed). It was the surprising full withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 and the failure to support the Syrian opposition in early 2012 that created the space for ISIS.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    Who was it again that lied and obfuscated us into two wars? yeah.
    nuff said.
    I believe the answer to that question was both parties in congress at the time, with the available information at that time, not just the implied 'blame Bush' here. Come now, you seem like you could muster better than this.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Iran wants, and sees themselves, as the next Persian empire. A nuke should would solidify their position in that endeavor.

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    Seems like they see themselves as sliding into the political leadership end of ISIS or something?

    Yeah, a nuke sure would solidify them as a regional power, this nation that exports and supports terrorism on a daily basis. Trust them with a nuke? Are you crazy?
    Greetings, Erik.

    Since I'm not privy to the negotiations, I don't know what the goal is for either side. Are lifting the sanctions in return for something - I don't know what - our goal? I don't like the 10-year time span of this deal, because frankly I don't trust them. They haven't exactly been good neighbors for those countries around them, and they have made no bones about saying what their opinion is of the United States - we're the "Great Satan" - and they have stated that they would like to see Israel wiped off the map! Do we expect them to suddenly change their mind?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    As far as I can tell, his foreign policy is pretty much the same as GWBush's foreign policy...which was fine with conservatives when Bush was president.
    For about the first year of his first term, Obama basically kept going with whatever Bush had set up before leaving Office. I'm thinking he did that because he really didn't know a damned thing about foreign relations and it took him a while to figure out what to do. But after that, he's been doing his own thing...not anything Bush would have done.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I believe the answer to that question was both parties in congress at the time, with the available information at that time, not just the implied 'blame Bush' here. Come now, you seem like you could muster better than this.
    : I remember the impassioned speeches made by Pelosi, Kerry, Clinton and others about our need to go to war with Iraq. I can post them if necessary, but why take the time? They gave their approval by voting "YES," so that's history, and if blame is to be given, it has to be equally shared, IMO. No ducking this one after the fact!

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Is that someone trying to sabotage US foreign policy because he hates his president more than he loves his country? I really have no idea what you're talking about.
    You do realize that the entirety of your accusation is hyper-inflated, righteous, emotional bull crap, right?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Erik.

    Since I'm not privy to the negotiations, I don't know what the goal is for either side. Are lifting the sanctions in return for something - I don't know what - our goal? I don't like the 10-year time span of this deal, because frankly I don't trust them. They haven't exactly been good neighbors for those countries around them, and they have made no bones about saying what their opinion is of the United States - we're the "Great Satan" - and they have stated that they would like to see Israel wiped off the map! Do we expect them to suddenly change their mind?
    Greetings, Lady Polgara.

    No, not really, and aggressive rhetoric such as this, isn't helping their case wanting to be trusted not to do any untoward with the weapon they'll surely build, given the chance.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : I remember the impassioned speeches made by Pelosi, Kerry, Clinton and others about our need to go to war with Iraq. I can post them if necessary, but why take the time? They gave their approval by voting "YES," so that's history, and if blame is to be given, it has to be equally shared, IMO. No ducking this one after the fact!
    It's all in the official records, so I don't understand this constant 'Bush lied' meme, other than trying illegitimately to blame shift for political advantage.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    Who was it again that lied and obfuscated us into two wars? yeah.
    nuff said.
    I think you are wrong about Iraq but that can be debated. If you're claiming anyone "lied and obfuscated" us into Afghanistan then you inhabit an alternate universe.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    In the end, this was just another one of boehner's desperate attempts to get it up.

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