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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, Obama goes around Congress with executive orders, as is his right, and all is good in the world. Congress goes around Obama, with a letter, and it's because they don't like Obama.
    Obama's executive orders were signed 6 years into his tenure and well after Congress has failed to solve problems. This is undermining a negotiation without even giving it a chance. It's more comparable to Obama walking in and signing executive orders on day 1.

    And you're right - nobody knows what's in a potential deal, except for the parts leaked by the White House, apparently rejected by Iran, and unacceptable to the 47 in the Senate who are signatories to the letter. Other than that, nobody knows.
    Okay, so you admit Congress is actively undermining a negotiation without even knowing what they are undermining.

    The worst part is...sanctions depends on other countries actively supporting the sanctions. The countries that are apart of this negotiation? Yeah, they are the countries that co-operated and made the current sanctions work. If congress ultimately undermines these negotiations the chance are slim they are going to jump back into sanctions.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post



    The GOP may not have trusted Bill Clinton, but the GOP could work with him. Don't think that' the case here, nor do I think that it's a simple blanket statement that you are making either.


    No they didn't...they shut down the government and tried to impeach him.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The funny thing in that in the article the Democrats don't even say anything about Reagan leaving office in a few years and therefore any of his policies are effectively moot, and yet, Gingrich still had this to say, ''This letter,'' Mr. Gingrich wrote, ''clearly violates the constitutional separation of powers. It's at best unwise, and at worst illegal.''

    Was he right?
    Point being, its been done before, and it will happen again. Everyone will whine and bitch, until it happens again, then we will switch sides, and still whine and bitch.

    If you want an example of illegal intervention, look up Ted Kennedy trying to bride the Russians in 1984 to keep Reagan from being elected.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Uhh...I see to remember an immigration reform bill passing the Senate and not allowed on the floor to be voted on in the House....and based on all the talk and up or down vote would of meant passage of the bill.

    Obstructionism has consequences. Republicans are reaping what they sow.
    Hmm... If the House passes a bill must the Senate vote on it? You seem to have very partisan blinders on when it comes to what congress "should" do.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Obama's executive orders were signed 6 years into his tenure and well after Congress has failed to solve problems. This is undermining a negotiation without even giving it a chance. It's more comparable to Obama walking in and signing executive orders on day 1.


    Okay, so you admit Congress is actively undermining a negotiation without even knowing what they are undermining.

    The worst part is...sanctions depends on other countries actively supporting the sanctions. The countries that are apart of this negotiation? Yeah, they are the countries that co-operated and made the current sanctions work. If congress ultimately undermines these negotiations the chance are slim they are going to jump back into sanctions.
    Who controlled the house for a large portion of those 6 years? The Senate for ALL SIX of those years?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Point being, its been done before, and it will happen again. Everyone will whine and bitch, until it happens again, then we will switch sides, and still whine and bitch.

    If you want an example of illegal intervention, look up Ted Kennedy trying to bride the Russians in 1984 to keep Reagan from being elected.
    No, your example wasn't a valid analogy as I explained. And again, regarding Gingrich's comment, was he right? And what you also never directly answered is, do you accept this as being standard fare for when a Republican president is in difficult negotiations with a foreign leader?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Good lord...

    Its ok that he is doing stupid things and has failed miserably in the past...cuz...its hard and stuff...
    Yup...that's exactly what I said! Good job! You won our conversation!
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    "Turnabout is fair play" is a game for children. Arriving at a deal with Iran, however unpleasant, has serious consequences and is important.
    our "leaders" are children, though not chronologically.

    I think a deal with Iran is important too... important enough for both Obama and Congress to get off their idiot high horses and work together....which seem unlikely to happen on eithers account.

    .. in any event, I will be entertained... I'm in no fear of Iran....I don't live in Israel, so I can afford the luxury of being a spectator.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.
    Actually it's because, well, we should know what is in the deal.

    The fact that this is Obama and his track record is abysmal is only secondary.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by laurcunningham View Post
    I will admit that I only heard about this situation for the first time yesterday, so I don't know the full scope of the situation at this point, but if in fact 47 Republican Congresspeople wrote a letter and supported a measure to warn Iran to not work with Obama, then yes there is a problem. I'm going to try to tread lightly here, however, because I don't know the full story at this point. I felt the need to respond to this, however, because I know it's fun to pretend that every Democrat/liberal/socialist/progressive supports everything that Obama has ever done, but that is 100% false. I voted for him both times, I don't regret that, but I also definitely do not support everything that he has done. There are plenty of actions that he has taken that I believe are not helpful to this country.



    I'm just curious. Do you believe that Republicans have gone above and beyond, throughout Obama's entire presidency, to try to work with him? Do you believe that the only reason why there is friction within his presidency is because he alone is refusing to be bipartisan? There haven't been any situations at all where Republicans have purposefully shown evidence of being 100% partisan and purposefully refusing to work with him to come to an agreement on an issue?



    See, I don't agree with this statement. I believe that he has bothered to earn trust but that people very heavily against him ever having won the Presidency have never tried to accept it. I get it. This country is extraordinarily partisan in nature these days, but I feel the need to call bull**** on the claim that Obama has never tried to work with Republicans and gain trust within this country. I digress, however, seeing as though this post is about this letter that was written.
    To be clear, the Republican letter does not "warn Iran to not work with Obama" - it does, however, advise Iran that any agreement Obama enters into that does not have Congressional approval is an agreement that will potentially stand void once Obama leaves office. Better to have that upfront and transparent than to have the Iranians claim the US lied.
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