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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    My feeling is that it would rely a great on technology, and nuclear should not be off the table. I cant see them stopping any them way.
    That's scary, really. But more than that, I can't see why any American would want to engage in a nuclear war with Iran, and the just incredible fallout such an act would cause. What threat does Iran pose to the U.S. that would warrant such a drastic act as dropping a nuke on them when they haven't declared war on the U.S. and simply cannot be a credible threat to us?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's scary, really. But more than that, I can't see why any American would want to engage in a nuclear war with Iran, and the just incredible fallout such an act would cause. What threat does Iran pose to the U.S. that would warrant such a drastic act as dropping a nuke on them when they haven't declared war on the U.S. and simply cannot be a credible threat to us?
    No one is advocating war. You would need to see the origin of this exchange.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    NIMBY...

    OH WAIT I did find that horrible war mongering letter:

    Cotton and 46 Fellow Senators to Send Open Letter to the Leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran | Senator Tom Cotton

    I am shocked, SHOCKED that those Senators would tell the Iranians that, under our Constitution, Congress must approve treaties by a two-thirds vote, and approve a binding agreement by a majority vote.

    And then he tells them that the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics! He actually says that Obama will be gone in 2017, while most of the signers will be around.

    He then says: "What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time."

    Well HEll YES, those are WAR words...ASAP.

    LOL...
    The Iranian minister replied to the letter....."The World is not the United States....suggesting the world doesn't need the US to survive and the constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's scary, really. But more than that, I can't see why any American would want to engage in a nuclear war with Iran, and the just incredible fallout such an act would cause. What threat does Iran pose to the U.S. that would warrant such a drastic act as dropping a nuke on them when they haven't declared war on the U.S. and simply cannot be a credible threat to us?
    It should not be off the table, and no one declares war anymore. The point is that if there is a war, and it will probably be compromised more by terror than any outright military attacks, then it should be fought to be won.

    The 'hearts and minds' approach has obviously failed whereas 'shock and awe' proved to be hugely successful.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Iranian minister replied to the letter....."The World is not the United States....suggesting the world doesn't need the US to survive and the constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders.
    For sure, our Constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders. I don't think ANYONE contends that it is, so that's just so much strawman bluster from the Iranian Minister. But the Minister would be wise to understand that the Constitution IS the supreme law IN the US and our actions are bound by it.

    In regard to whether the world needs the US to survive or not...that's just more bluster unless they intend to eliminate the US from any talks they take part in. I think that would be a grave mistake on their part because there are other nations involved who might take drastic action against Iran without Obama's stabilizing influence.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    For sure, our Constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders. I don't think ANYONE contends that it is, so that's just so much strawman bluster from the Iranian Minister. But the Minister would be wise to understand that the Constitution IS the supreme law IN the US and our actions are bound by it.

    In regard to whether the world needs the US to survive or not...that's just more bluster unless they intend to eliminate the US from any talks they take part in. I think that would be a grave mistake on their part because there are other nations involved who might take drastic action against Iran without Obama's stabilizing influence.
    It's amazing that some people give the Iranians more credibility than they do their fellow Americans.

    I don't believe much of what Barrack or Hillary have to say but that doesn't mean I'd take an Iranian leader's word over theirs.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, Obama goes around Congress with executive orders, as is his right, and all is good in the world. Congress goes around Obama, with a letter, and it's because they don't like Obama.

    And you're right - nobody knows what's in a potential deal, except for the parts leaked by the White House, apparently rejected by Iran, and unacceptable to the 47 in the Senate who are signatories to the letter. Other than that, nobody knows.
    You know, it's getting pretty damn bad when a Canadian understands US Politics better than half of the US citizens...
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You mean in order to be non-partisan I would have to say that Obama is a good President?

    I'd be willing to do that but have nothing on which to base this opinion.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Iranian minister replied to the letter....."The World is not the United States....suggesting the world doesn't need the US to survive and the constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders.

    yeah....but as Teddy once said

    Walk softly, and carry a BIG stick

    We are still the 800 lb gorilla in the corner

    And we will be for the foreseeable future
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Iranian minister replied to the letter....."The World is not the United States....suggesting the world doesn't need the US to survive and the constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders.
    Sure. But it is for members of the US government. Meaning (in this context) that what is done solely via Executive Authority can be undone solely via Executive Authority.

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