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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    OK, blame Obama, all his fault. Really lame.
    Yeah, The buck stops elsewhere. That's been Obama's mantra since he first took office. He can't handle the responsibility and his sycophants don't expect him to.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    On the contrary, they are correct. Iranians have a hard time understanding that other executives are not Supreme Leaders, but in this country, the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, not Executive Branch writ.


    Really, if they are wise (deeply questionable, I know), the administration will clue in that Republican have just strengthened their negotiating position.

    Mind you, that would require that they see Diplomacy as a means to an end, rather than an end in and of itself....
    Judging from your post it appears that some Americans have a hard time understanding that "the world is not the United States". Too funny. LOL

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    Who was it again that lied and obfuscated us into two wars? yeah.
    nuff said.
    That would be the Democrats. And of course the military is having to return to the ME after Bush's victory and Obama's inglorious retreat. What a terrible waste!

    If Bush lied about WMD, Kerry and 77% of the Senate lied also

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    A WORTHLESS Hack Progressive Blog thats charging the Bush administration with War Crimes ????

    LOL !!! Is that the best you can do ?

    Your'e the one that needs help, desperate help. For some reason your BLOG doesn't mention any of the Democrats I listed in my last post. You remember ? The PROMINENT Democrats that said Saddam HAD WMD, and had been hiding them throughout IRAQ ? The same democrats that gave Bush LEGAL Authorization to use force ??

    Iraq Resolution...
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-...resolution/114


    If your'e going to devolve down into Conspiracy theories then quit wasting my time and others. We have a section in this forum explicitly for Conspiracy theories.

    Go peddle your nonsense over there. This section of the Forum is reserved for adults.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Judging from your post it appears that some Americans have a hard time understanding that "the world is not the United States". Too funny. LOL
    Not at all. But for the United States, the Constitution is Supreme. Meaning that, yes, one POTUS can overturn what a previous POTUS has done solely on Executive Authority.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    A WORTHLESS Hack Progressive Blog thats charging the Bush administration with War Crimes ????

    LOL !!! Is that the best you can do ?

    Your'e the one that needs help, desperate help. For some reason your BLOG doesn't mention any of the Democrats I listed in my last post. You remember ? The PROMINENT Democrats that said Saddam HAD WMD, and had been hiding them throughout IRAQ ? The same democrats that gave Bush LEGAL Authorization to use force ??

    Iraq Resolution...
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-...resolution/114


    If your'e going to devolve down into Conspiracy theories then quit wasting my time and others. We have a section in this forum explicitly for Conspiracy theories.

    Go peddle your nonsense over there. This section of the Forum is reserved for adults.

    The "prominent Democrats" were misinformed since they were LIED to by the Bush Administration.....but these are the GOP's war crimes of the past ....now we have an unprecedented and treasonous letter to Iran as well....The GOP has caused more destruction and pursued more reckless tactics than Bin Laden could have ever imagined.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Not at all. But for the United States, the Constitution is Supreme. Meaning that, yes, one POTUS can overturn what a previous POTUS has done solely on Executive Authority.
    Outside US borders the constitution is not the supreme law of the land and since the agreement was made by legal US representative outside US borders it's not subject or bound by the constitution or US law, but it is bound by international law that says two or more countries can arbitrate and negotiate to form binding agreements independent of their domestic legislature and laws. .
    Last edited by Moot; 03-11-15 at 08:56 PM.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    The agreement was made under international law by a legal representative outside US borders and where US law is not the supreme law of the land.
    In the US, the treaty power is a coordinated effort between the Executive branch and the Senate. The President may form and negotiate, but the treaty must be advised and consented to by a two-thirds vote in the Senate. Only after the Senate approves the treaty can the President ratify it. Once a treaty is ratified, it becomes binding on all the states under the Supremacy Clause. While the United States House of Representatives does not vote on it at all, the requirement for Senate advice and consent to ratification makes it considerably more difficult in the US than in other democratic republics to rally enough political support for international treaties. Also, if implementation of the treaty requires the expenditure of funds, the House of Representatives may be able to block, or at least impede, such implementation by refusing to vote for the appropriation of the necessary funds.
    In the US, the President usually submits a treaty to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (SFRC) along with an accompanying resolution of ratification or accession. If the treaty and resolution receive favorable committee consideration (a committee vote in favor of ratification or accession) the treaty is then forwarded to the floor of the full U.S. Senate for such a vote. The treaty or legislation does not apply until it has been ratified. A multilateral agreement may provide that it will take effect upon its ratification by less than all of the signatories.[2] Even though such a treaty takes effect, it does not apply to signatories that have not ratified it. Accession has the same legal effect as ratification. Accession is a synonym for ratification for treaties already negotiated and signed by other states.[3] An example of a treaty to which the U.S. Senate did not advise and consent to ratification is the Treaty of Versailles, which failed to garner support due to inclusion of the Covenant of the League of Nations.
    The U.S. can also enter into international agreements by way of executive agreements. These are not made under the Treaty Clause, and do not require ratification of two thirds of the Senate. "Congressional-executive agreements" are passed by a majority of both houses of Congress as a regular law. If the agreement is completely within the President's constitutional powers, it can be made by the President alone without Congressional approval; however, it will have the force of an executive order and can be unilaterally revoked by a future President. All of these types of agreements are treated internationally as "treaties". See Foreign policy of the United States#Law.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. Not all his fault, but more his fault than anyone else's. I actually agree with you up to a point.
    And that was what we were discussing. Thank you for the answer.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't know about "harming" the office of the presidency. It's a very odd action that was taken, and certainly harms credibility and standing for the US in general. First the humiliation of the congress bringing in Netanyahu to prove a point to the executive, and now this ****. I'm surprised really, but suppose I shouldn't be, that it's worth this to so many here to get a poke at Obama.
    2 way street- this can set a precedent that may/ will repeat. My opinion is it has harmed the reputation of the Office and the US.
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