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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    No I am not the OP of that thread but did comment there....since it bears merit but since the GOP is desperate can hardly be expected to stop the witch hunts and fishing expeditions etc.........all GOP candidates are double digits behind Hillary and none have her credentials....so mud throwing is all ya got....although they are very talented and experienced mud throwers....LOL
    The New York Times is the " GOP " ??? Lol ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us...ical.html?_r=0

    Yea, we see what her credentials are. Lies, lies, obfuscation and more lies....

    Typical Democrat candidate. No surprise there.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!

    You didn't debunk anything. You simply trotted out some facts and spun them to fit your narrative.
    You're half right . I did indeed "trot out" some facts ...and they completely obliterated your empty argument. ( in part because they don't "fit your narrative".....but also because, as we all know , reality has a well known liberal bias. )

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The New York Times is the " GOP " ??? Lol ...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us...ical.html?_r=0

    Yea, we see what her credentials are. Lies, lies, obfuscation and more lies....

    Typical Democrat candidate. No surprise there.
    Who was it again that lied and obfuscated us into two wars? yeah.
    nuff said.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I would say it's a problem except that the agreement is still being hammered out. It's an active negotiation between Iran and 6 other countries.
    Do you believe that Iran would live up to any agreement? I don't.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    You're half right . I did indeed "trot out" some facts ...and they completely obliterated your empty argument. ( in part because they don't "fit your narrative".....but also because, as we all know , reality has a well known liberal bias. )
    Wow...you are quite practiced in liberal-talking-point-regurgitation. I tip my hat to you.

    Now...how about you actually use your brain and think for yourself? I guarantee you'll "feel" better if you do.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If it harms the office of this President to accurately describe his Constitutional powers, then he must be attempting to reach beyond them
    Greetings, cpwill.

    : Not only the Congress, but when the Supreme Court voted unanimously that he was over-reaching his Constitutional powers, and considering four of them are from his own party, then it must be that only he himself is harming the office he holds! Checks and balances are there for a good reason!

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do you believe that Iran would live up to any agreement? I don't.
    Then just bomb the **** out of them and be done with it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    Who was it again that lied and obfuscated us into two wars? yeah.
    nuff said.
    LOL !! Your'e Progressive amateur nonsense is so easy to debunk...

    One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999


    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002




    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
    -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002


    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002


    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-10...107publ243.htm


    Hey, please keep posting OK. I'm literally begging you to continue parroting this Progressive nonsense you equate to intelligent discussion. There's no better way than to expose the fallacies of the Progressive agenda than to keep one of it's members talking.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !! Your'e Progressive amateur nonsense is so easy to debunk...

    One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998


    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999


    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002




    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
    -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002


    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002


    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-10...107publ243.htm


    Hey, please keep posting OK. I'm literally begging you to continue parroting this Progressive nonsense you equate to intelligent discussion. There's no better way than to expose the fallacies of the Progressive agenda than to keep one of it's members talking.

    Here's a little help: U.S. Officials Guilty of War Crimes for Using 9/11 As a False Justification for the Iraq War Washington's Blog

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm mentioned multiple times that the Senate advises and consents on foreign policy. If you're going to just quote segments of a long going conversation to argue against some extreme position I didn't take then don't respond.
    Except the Administration has decided not to allow the Senate to advise or consent on the deal with Iran. Which is why this letter was timely and proper. If the White House wanted Senators to wait until the agreement was at the Advise and Consent phase, then they shouldn't have declared that there would be no such phase.

    Republican Congress members visited as well on "fact finding" missions (as per the article). There's also a large difference...in that the Democratic Congress wasn't actively trying to undermine the Bush administration.
    Wait - what? That is absolutely what they were trying to do, in Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

    The "foul" here was that Bush wanted no engagement with Syria yet Republican Congressmembers were visiting.

    As did....REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DURING THAT SAME TIME! Read your own article.
    Republican Congressmen didn't take photo ops with Assad, assure him that he would be protected, declare him a reformer, and then announce that Peace Runs Through Damascus.

    However, if you want to say that any participation by a Republican invalidates the fact that Democrat leadership were absolutely interfering in the Bush Administration's foreign policy, meet the democrat senator opposing the Obama administration on Iran


    The Legislature inserting itself into foreign policy in opposition to the President has a long history, and much like the filibuster, opinions on its' efficacy swing almost 100% when one is in or out of power.
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