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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it won't be as entertaining the 2nd time it happens.... but yeah, turnabout is fair play in my book.

    the American people are tired of all this bull****... but I don't see anyone coming down the pipe with the leadership skills to end it.
    "Turnabout is fair play" is a game for children. Arriving at a deal with Iran, however unpleasant, has serious consequences and is important.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    There is no advise and consent requirement on this agreement. President Obama is not appointing anyone to a position nor is he drafting a treaty.

    Congress does not even have to worry their pretty little heads.
    That would make the Iran "agreement" expire upon Obama's term in office. To have a lasting treaty with Iran requires a supermajority in the Senate.

    [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You DO know how stupid you look every time you spew "but the republicans!!! but the republicans!!!"

    It doesnt minimize the failings of this administration in the least and only serves to make both the administration and you look ever increasingly impotent.
    No...but it puts things into context....foreign affairs isn't easy and constantly running around the world with a big stick creates more problems than letting things play out on their own. The only thing impotent is right wing introspection. Just rinse and repeat the same stupid mistakes
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.
    So, Obama goes around Congress with executive orders, as is his right, and all is good in the world. Congress goes around Obama, with a letter, and it's because they don't like Obama.

    And you're right - nobody knows what's in a potential deal, except for the parts leaked by the White House, apparently rejected by Iran, and unacceptable to the 47 in the Senate who are signatories to the letter. Other than that, nobody knows.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That you hold the GOP in such regard and not the democrat party with the same says everything anyone would ever need to know about you.
    The Democratic party is easily the less of the two evils.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    CONGRESS - LETTER TO NICARAGUA - 'DEAR COMANDANTE' - NYTimes.com

    The picture is John Kerry and Tom Harkin visiting with the Nicaraguan Sandinista communists to undermine Reagan.
    The funny thing is that in the article the Democrats don't even say anything about Reagan leaving office in a few years and therefore any of his policies are effectively moot, and that they'll just shoot down any agreement he arrives at with them anyway, and yet, Gingrich still had this to say, ''This letter,'' Mr. Gingrich wrote, ''clearly violates the constitutional separation of powers. It's at best unwise, and at worst illegal.''

    Was he right?
    Last edited by Cardinal; 03-10-15 at 11:46 AM.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No...but it puts things into context....foreign affairs isn't easy and constantly running around the world with a big stick creates more problems than letting things play out on their own. The only thing impotent is right wing introspection. Just rinse and repeat the same stupid mistakes
    Good lord...

    Its ok that he is doing stupid things and has failed miserably in the past...cuz...its hard and stuff...

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The Democratic party is easily the less of the two evils.
    Again...says everything anyone would ever need to know about you.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    your trust in him is irrelevant.
    It's not my trust in Obama (of which there's little), it's the GOP's trust in him.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Republicans don't trust Obama...but they don't trust any Democratic President.
    The GOP may not have trusted Bill Clinton, but the GOP could work with him. Don't think that' the case here, nor do I think that it's a simple blanket statement that you are making either.

    Quote Originally Posted by laurcunningham View Post
    . . .
    See, I don't agree with this statement. I believe that he has bothered to earn trust but that people very heavily against him ever having won the Presidency have never tried to accept it. I get it. This country is extraordinarily partisan in nature these days, but I feel the need to call bull**** on the claim that Obama has never tried to work with Republicans and gain trust within this country. I digress, however, seeing as though this post is about this letter that was written.
    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point, or save it for another thread.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Based on the White House's own statements, nobody will until its agreed.

    Mark Knoller: "WH says if nuke deal is reached with Iran it won't be a treaty subject to Senate ratification."

    So the Republicans are correct, it will be a deal between the current Executive branch and Iran, to be terminated at the descresion of future Executive branch leaders.
    If so, the President will not be able to waive Congressional sanctions that Obama signed into law without Congressional approval to rescind them.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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