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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.
    Funny thing about that...

    The statements you reference (at least, I think you are referencing them...correct me if I'm wrong) were made in 2011 and 2012...3-4 years ago. And, as you point out, those statements don't refer to whether Iran wants to build a bomb or not. In any case, their actions since they supposedly stopped their nuclear activities in 2003 are directly applicable to the production of nuclear weapons...including delivery systems. It doesn't take much of a leap of imagination to figure out their intentions.

    Who you choose to believe is, of course, your prerogative. Me? I'll choose not to believe a word Iran says.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.
    i assume you mean meir dagan when you speak of mossad?

    and his comments regarding netanyahu.........

    since he has been out of mossad since 2010, and he is trying to position himself into a new leadership in Israel, maybe his comments can be taken with a grain of salt

    but go ahead and throw all your eggs into the same basket
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.
    Why wouldnt Iran develop a nuke if they could?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    OMG, ack...the nukes is comin, the nukes is comin.....nevermind there's zero evidence they exist.... but hey if you're that afraid perhaps I can make you a good deal on a bomb shelter.


    such drivel really doesnt even deserve a response

    but i never said they HAD them.....

    but i do know they want them, and what that would do to that area of the world
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Somehow I don't think agreements made under international law are protected by the constitution anyway. The ratification and consent process isn't necessary for other country leaders to sign a binding agreement and it isn't for ours, either. If you look at a list of agreements and treaties over the years you will see that many of them were never ratified by the US congress....but they are still binding agreements at the international level.

    That's what the Iran minister meant when he said..."the world is not the United States."
    International Treaties and Agreements - International Law

    and

    Validity and Application Of Treaties - International Treaties and Agreements - International Law

    International law doesn't trump our treaty process.

    A "binding agreement" is, in fact, a treaty.

    A treaty is an official, express written agreement that states use to legally bind themselves.
    Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Now...Obama may enter into a "non-binding agreement", but that is not governed by international law.

    The existence of a large number of such non-binding documents led the International Law Commission, when developing the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, to consider whether or not such documents should be included within its definition of "treaty" . The Commission decided against their inclusion by incorporating in its definition the requirement that an international agreement must be "governed by 'international law" in order to be a treaty . That this was the Commission's intention is confirmed by legislative history of the article . See Report of the International Law Commission to the General Assembly (1959 2 Y .B. Int. Law Comm . 96-97 (1959).
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/65728.pdf
    Previous non-binding agreements that are still in effect are not so because of any consideration for international law, but because it is still in our interests to abide by them.

    If, in fact, your assessment of what the Iranian Minister meant with the phrase he used is correct, that only means he really doesn't understand the realities about the US Constitution, treaties or international law. As I said before, I don't see how Obama can conduct a serious negotiation with such an ignorant partner. Instead of castigating the Senators for their informative letter to Iran, he should be thanking them for attempting to make his job easier.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You could be working for the Peoples Republic of North Korea with that ability to weave imaginary propaganda. But I do admire the fact that, unlike others, you still hold your Obama doll close to the chest when you turn out the lights each night.
    Oh, cram it.

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    I love how simple acknowledgement of facts makes me an Obama fan, which I am not.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Most??

    In 2008, Obama garnered 52.93% of the popular vote. In 2012 it was 51.01%. I don't think anyone would consider those numbers as constituting "most".
    While I'm fully aware that conservatives struggle with math, when exactly did more than 50% NOT equal "most" ?!

    Obama also happens to be the first president since 1956 to win the popular vote TWICE.

    I'm also aware that many conservatives are "book averse" so you can look it up at this link:

    Final Tally Shows Obama First Since

    'nuff said.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Why wouldnt Iran develop a nuke if they could?
    Because the Ayatollah forbids it....


    TEHRAN — Iran’s supreme leader said Saturday that his country was not seeking nuclear weapons but added that if Iran ever decided to build them, no “global power” could stop it.

    The supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, whose 2005 edict banning nuclear weapons is regarded as binding in Iran, told a group of visitors to his home in Tehran, the capital, that his country favored the worldwide elimination of nuclear weapons.

    We believe that nuclear weapons must be eliminated,” Ayatollah Khamenei said. “We don’t want to build atomic weapons. But if we didn’t believe so and intended to possess nuclear weapons, no power could stop us.” His comments were posted on his Web site, Khamenei.ir.

    American officials say they believe that Ayatollah Khamenei exercises full control over Iran’s nuclear program. On Thursday, he rejected direct talks with the United States while it was “pointing a gun at Iran”; on Saturday he elaborated on the issue.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/wo...arms.html?_r=0
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Oh, cram it.

    Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration

    I love how simple acknowledgement of facts makes me an Obama fan, which I am not.
    Lol - who knew that political parties meet and discuss how they can win back power after losing an election or how they can thwart the legislative agenda of the other party. I'm sure Harry Reid met with his decimated caucus last November and planned out a strategy of prostration at the alter of Republican policy initiatives.

    The funny part is that the Obama acolytes think it's personal and people hate Obama or that they're racists because they oppose his and the Democrat agenda. That's what outs you as a fan boy.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Lol - who knew that political parties meet and discuss how they can win back power after losing an election or how they can thwart the legislative agenda of the other party. I'm sure Harry Reid met with his decimated caucus last November and planned out a strategy of prostration at the alter of Republican policy initiatives.

    The funny part is that the Obama acolytes think it's personal and people hate Obama or that they're racists because they oppose his and the Democrat agenda. That's what outs you as a fan boy.
    And the conservative victimization begins. Please point to where I (an "Obama acolyte," in your phenomenally stupid words) said a thing about race.

    Don't bother responding to me unless you have something to say that isn't your usual "DURRR OBAMA FANBOY" horse****.
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