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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    I fully expect to see a similar statement being made by Obama in the near future.

    "We, the German führer and chancellor, and the British prime minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognising that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe.

    "We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German naval agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe. My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British prime minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time ... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That reply by Iran's Foreign Minister reinforces his ignorance of US law...even AFTER being given information about it from our Congressmen. Frankly, I don't see how Obama can possibly conduct serious negotiations with such ill-informed and close-minded people.
    The Iran minister is right....domestic US policy has no standing in international law. Nor does the agreement depend on the US to succeed because its a unilateral agreement that includes some of our closet allies and trading partners: UK, France, Germany, Greece, Turkey, China, Russia....

    How's it going to look to the world and our allies if Iran adheres to the terms of the agreement but the US renegs on it's part?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    First of all, Iran has never claimed to be building nukes....but they might've said "stuff it" after being accused of making them without any proof. Secondly, if the goal is to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon then making an unilateral agreement that provides oversight is much better than just using military force....which could have the opposite effect and cause Iran to build a nuke for defense and defeat the entire point of trying to prevent them building a nuke in the first place.

    The GOP schizophrenic foreign policy is as irresponsible as it is stupid. It's so simple a caveman could do it.

    wow

    do you really think they will tell the world

    "hey you all....we building nukes....what ya gonna do about it?"

    are you really this naive?

    do you understand what happens if they do achieve their goal, and somehow end up as a nuclear power?

    do you think the middle east could ever be the same? Africa? The Baltic states?

    It would literally change Iran from a nuisance power into a major player in the world

    Yeah...that is what we want......omg for chrissakes.....
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Iran minister is right....domestic US policy has no standing in international law. Nor does the agreement depend on the US to succeed because its a unilateral agreement that includes some of our closet allies and trading partners: UK, France, Germany, Greece, Turkey, China, Russia....

    How's it going to look to the world and our allies if Iran adheres to the terms of the agreement but the US renegs on it's part?
    Constitutionally, it isn't an agreement that our country is bound by if it's not ratified by Congress. THAT is the information that the Senators wanted to make clear to Iran. Their response makes it clear they just don't get it.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Something I just found --

    "Hold on, everyone! Just hold on! And feel free to stand down.

    Turns out it was, like that one episode of Three's Company, just a simple misunderstanding.

    The letter was a JOKE! And Obama is too dumb to get it. A joke.

    “The administration has no sense of humor when it comes to how weakly they have been handling these negotiations,” said a top GOP Senate aide.


    Get it? A joke. Indeed, it was intended to be "cheeky." And "lighthearted."

    ROFL kind of funny, I guess.

    "Republican aides were taken aback by the response to what what they thought was a lighthearted attempt to signal to Iran and the public that Congress should have a role in the ongoing nuclear discussions. Two GOP aides separately described their letter as a “cheeky” reminder of the congressional branch’s prerogatives. "




    As you were. " -DoLoop

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And you believe them....






    Now I have to ask, if they are NOT building nukes and only building a reactor out of the mist unstable technology available, then why is Obama even negotiating?

    They're building nukes...MY government is certain of it.....and I believe Ottawa over "you can keep your plan...."
    I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Constitutionally, it isn't an agreement that our country is bound by if it's not ratified by Congress. THAT is the information that the Senators wanted to make clear to Iran. Their response makes it clear they just don't get it.
    Somehow I don't think agreements made under international law are protected by the constitution anyway. The ratification and consent process isn't necessary for other country leaders to sign a binding agreement and it isn't for ours, either. If you look at a list of agreements and treaties over the years you will see that many of them were never ratified by the US congress....but they are still binding agreements at the international level.

    That's what the Iran minister meant when he said..."the world is not the United States."

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    wow

    do you really think they will tell the world

    "hey you all....we building nukes....what ya gonna do about it?"

    are you really this naive?

    do you understand what happens if they do achieve their goal, and somehow end up as a nuclear power?

    do you think the middle east could ever be the same? Africa? The Baltic states?

    It would literally change Iran from a nuisance power into a major player in the world

    Yeah...that is what we want......omg for chrissakes.....

    OMG, ack...the nukes is comin, the nukes is comin.....nevermind there's zero evidence they exist.... but hey if you're that afraid perhaps I can make you a good deal on a bomb shelter.


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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I prefer to believe the IAEA and Mossad that say Iran isn't building a nuke... to a lying war monger like Netanyahu. I don't really care what your government believes. Many countries are worried that Iran "might" build a bomb and that's what they want to prevent. Why you find that so funny is beyond me.


    What a surprise!


    Of course you would....can't have any new thoughts enter that head!
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