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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Please stay with the facts...

    The "agreement" which has been REJECTED by Iran, Britain, Canada, France and NATO, does not in any way try to stop "Iran from gaining nuclear weapons..."


    The reason it has been rejected is because it only DELAYS production of nuclear bombs for ten years.......

    you can't claim honesty and trust when you mislead ..
    Actually...it supposedly may include a sunset provision...as in .....Iran adheres to the agreement and then is treated like any other non-nuclear country. it doesn't give them nuclear weapons.

    In fact...the Bush administration when they were talking about negotiating with Iran stated that a sunset deal made sense and would be apart of any nuclear deal they made with Iran.

    Wherever you got that misinformation you should probably stop using them as a news source.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Actually...it supposedly may include a sunset provision...as in .....Iran adheres to the agreement and then is treated like any other non-nuclear country. it doesn't give them nuclear weapons.

    In fact...the Bush administration when they were talking about negotiating with Iran stated that a sunset deal made sense and would be apart of any nuclear deal they made with Iran.

    Wherever you got that misinformation you should probably stop using them as a news source.
    "....it supposedly may ..."


    There supposedly is gold on the moon, maybe



    When you have no facts, make up..maybe
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's like saying Obama is weak president and then complaining he has too much power.



    GOP is turning into party of schizoids.
    Obama is a weak President and he doesn't actually have too much power he just tries to use power he doesn't have.

    Democrats continue to be the party of arrogance and entitlement, right up to the President.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    "....it supposedly may ..."


    There supposedly is gold on the moon, maybe



    When you have no facts, make up..maybe
    Cool post bro
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    For most law abiding Americans, Obama "earned" their trust TWICE: Once in November 2008 and again in November 2012.
    Which he betrayed, with his constant lying, scandals, thwarting of transparency and accountability.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    From day one the GOP has moved in fascistic-style goose step fashion to obstruct any initiatives taken by this duly elected President -and the people and nation be damned! The GOP has indeed long ago now transgressed mere civility or respect for the office: starting with the outrageously improper shouting out of "You Lie!"
    Never mind that he did. Why have facts bother you?
    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    while a president addresses congress , a countless litany of cheap personal attacks; repeatedly shutting down the government of the United States and playing chicken with the nation's "good faith and credit"
    Both sides of the aisle have done this in the past to the other side. Your one side fauxrage is a joke.
    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    ....to now the unprecedented invitation to a foreign leader to criticize the president's foreign policy on the floor of the House AND, even more despicably sending an open letter to a foreign government designed to undermine the president's constitutional right to practice diplomacy
    7 Times Democrats Advised America's Enemies to Oppose the President - Breitbart
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    ......can you imagine what would have happened if the Democrats had done such a thing to a Republican president?!

    What ever happened to "Politics stops at the waters edge." ????
    Please see citation above.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    For well over fifty years now the GOP has consistently been on the wrong side of history: wrong about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Minimum Wage, GI Bill, Unemployment , Civil Rights (voter suppression etc.) , Women's Rights, LGBT Rights, Healthcare, etc. ad nauseam....
    Depends on your perspective.
    Quote Originally Posted by ProgressivPower View Post
    their behavior during the Obama Administration adds yet another tawdry, embarrassingly unpatriotic chapter to their already soiled legacy ....."Party of Lincoln", indeed. History will not look fondly upon their destructive, border-line treasonous behavior.

    These Republicans are indeed a disgrace to the federal government which they so, ironically, despise.....and have engaged in a deliberate attempt to undermine sensitive diplomatic negotiations with very high stakes: some , including myself would indeed call it treason....and that is precisely what the GOP would call it were the shoe on the other foot.
    Over the past six plus years now, the GOP has wrought far more destruction to this nation than Bin Laden, himself, could have ever imagined possible.

    If Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt or even Ike could see today's Republican Party, they would never stop vomiting.
    Yawwwnn. Same old same old from the left: 'We know better, do as we say', 'How dare you interfere or oppose our agenda'.
    Except that you don't, and most of the left's programs fail in the most miserable ways. Same old self-delusion of omnipotence.

    Do please come back after you've shed your issued talking points and engage some individual and critical thinking.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    If the guy shat jobs out of his ass, you and your crew would still complain that the pay stinks. There is nothing this President can or could do that would garner bipartisan support.

    Why?

    Because he won... twice.
    Yeah. Right. Because it couldn't possible be that Obama's foreign policy and execution are little more than careening from one self-inflicted disaster to another.

    Being this is a foreign policy thread, your diversion into the jobs topic is noted.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Job approval ratings swings on emotion. What does America say about its chief lawmaking body?
    While still low, since the Republicans took control of the Senate, the approval ratings of congress have increased 50%.

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Congressional Job Approval
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!! Now THAT was funny!!

    Heck, if Obama shat jobs out of his ass I wouldn't complain...but I WOULD be amazed that he was actually able to do something constructive...especially by shatting. I'm guessing a whole lot of Americans would be amazed right along with me, given his job approval numbers.


    Didn't he TRY to shat jobs out of his ass.....?

    It was 'shovel ready' ....or some **** anyway
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's like saying Obama is weak president and then complaining he has too much power.



    GOP is turning into party of schizoids.
    Turning?

    They hold Bill "blow job" Clinton in the highest esteem and want his screwed up wife t replace Obama.....

    That's scizophrenic
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Here is the text of the letter:

    It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

    First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

    Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then—perhaps decades.

    What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

    We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.


    Please point out where you feel their understanding of governance is so sharply mistaken?






    The thing that makes that letter so shameful is that Iran had to school those 47 idiot senators on their own Constitution and international law. I'll bet Tehran had a good laugh over that.....




    “I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with ‘the stroke of a pen,’ as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law,”

    “I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States. The conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by U.S. domestic law."

    The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfill the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations......"

    Iran's Foreign Minister To U.S. Senators: 'The World Is Not The United States'



    I keep thinking the GOP couldn't possible get any more stupid and then they surprise me by proving they can. But this time I think they've finally crossed the line from juvenile party shenanigans into a lethal threat to our national security. If they think they can interfere or prevent our president from doing the job he was legally and constitutionally elected to do and get away with it, then we've got a bigger problem here than just ISIS.

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