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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Jim Wright met with Ortega and a Republican Senator suggested it violated the Logan act and Reagan attacked Wright....rightly.

    But...I'll just put there here....from Thomas Mann from the Brookings Institute
    is the contempt with which it treats the president
    Oh, boo hoo!!

    This whining about contempt for a President who has shown nothing but contempt for the citizens, the Legislature and the Constitution...not to mention his own Oath of Office...is nothing short of pathetic.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
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    Didn't Pelosi gp around Bush to communicate with Assad in Syria ?

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    Three GOP leaders Frank Wolf, Darrell Issa (and one other pubbie, forget his name...) met with Assad in Syria just as Pelosi was visiting in 2007.
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    Thoughts on them going there?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No...I never said that, that's not accurate, but neither is the typical false equivalency thrown out.
    you don't have to say the exact words to convey the sentiment...but whatever.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    What do you mean by that? There's a very large difference from disagreeing with a President and what is currently occurring.
    • Pelosi went to see Assad
    • Kennedy's lackey proposed to the KGB a meeting with Teddy and Andropov to talk about opposing Reagan
    • Bonior went to see Saddam
    • Carter tried to get the UN to screw over HWBush
    • A bunch Democrats (including Jim Wright) wrote a letter of support to Daniel Ortega

    You can lookup the details yourself but each incident was in contravention of the policy of their President at the time.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership - Bloomberg Politics

    President Obama: "It's somewhat ironic seeing some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran..... It's an unlikely coalition."

    Interesting. Seems to me, the President distorts the issue for political gain and is subtly trying to claim that Republicans are fraternizing with the enemy or perhaps even treasonous. And yet no reaction or condemnation from Democrats or their friends in the media. Rudy Guilliani states that he believes that President Obama doesn't love his country and all hell breaks lose, the full force of the Democrat party and their media puppets attacking with all force. But when the shoe is on the other foot, again the attack is on the Republican party and the Democrat media protects their saviour and master.

    Interesting. Also, isn't President Obama trying to 'make common cause with the hardliners in Iran" through the deal negotiations he's involved in?
    This is nothing more than congress taking executive action. Obama loves to go around Congress with his phone and pen. Now he is all pissed off at congress doing the same to him. Obama wants to be the dictator and could care less about congress.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well ok then..I guess we'll just have to deal with the fact that the Senate won't be playing a role in this until years after it's a done deal...just as Obama has declared will be the case.
    As have former presidents in "non-binding" executive agreements.

    I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with executive agreements but this constant idea that executive power when being yielded by President Obama is some massive deviation from the norm or NOW it's a problem...really difficult to agree or even see that as anything other than partisanship.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh, boo hoo!!

    This whining about contempt for a President who has shown nothing but contempt for the citizens, the Legislature and the Constitution...not to mention his own Oath of Office...is nothing short of pathetic.
    well, there's no need to extent these argument of contempt beyond the Congress and the President in this thread... but yes, Obama has most assuredly treated republicans in Congress with extreme contempt... and vice versa... there's no love between any of them

    my money is on this being the status quo until Obama is gone...

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.
    And you don't either, and despite numerous cases fo "find out after it's happened" failures you're still throwing in with those that deceive and lie as a matter of course.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    As have former presidents in "non-binding" executive agreements.

    I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with executive agreements but this constant idea that executive power when being yielded by President Obama is some massive deviation from the norm or NOW it's a problem...really difficult to agree or even see that as anything other than partisanship.
    nobody is talking about non-binding agreements....we're talking about this deal with Iran

    of course I don't expect you to see a problem with the increases in executive power or Obama bypassing congress.... that stuff is only bad when it's a Republican President.

    but alas, we're just mere citizens.. spectators in the game.
    my concerns and frustrations are more geared towards the players themselves.. and the rank hypocrisy and corruption our system sows.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you don't have to say the exact words to convey the sentiment...but whatever.
    I'll try....disagreement as opposed to...wanton disrespect? Actions being dominated by the goal of undermining or attacking the President? Governance taking a back seat partisanship?

    I mean...let's take a look at this letter. If the goal of Republicans was to stop the deal it was completely counterproductive. It isolated centrist Democrats that were on board with passing legislation that would increase sanctions or would require the agreement to be reviewed and voted on by Congress. Senators that had concerns now see this as nothing more than a partisan play. So sticking your finger in the eye of the president takes precedence over actually getting what you want done. That is the difference between this Congress and previous ones. Previous Congresses disagreed with the President, they may pass legislation that was opposite of the President wanted, but this action is actually counter productive but they went ahead and did it because attacking Obama is the main goal.
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