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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    What century did you say you were from?

    Or maybe you take yourself too seriously, Thrilla. That would explain a lot, too.
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    of course, that's probably why you levied this personal attack, knowing i would get bent out of shape... .that's what trolls do.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You mean like when Nancy Pelosi met with Assad in 2007? ...
    That would be the same year leadership republicans like Frank Wolf and Darrell Issa met with Assad around the same time as the Pelosi visit, right?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Had the Senate informed the President that it would still play its role rather than sending a letter to a hostile state, I don't think that would have been unreasonable. Afterward, if an agreement is reached and the Senate chose to carry out a vote, again that would be entirely reasonable and not inconsistent with its role vis-a-vis such agreements. That's not what was done and it does not promote an environment conducive to diplomatic efforts.
    as I said, I disagree with the Senate sending the letter, however, you seem to be ignoring the fact that the President has flatly denied the Senate playing any role in this.. even after the agreement is made.


    To what specific terms are the Senators objecting? None. No such terms exist, because there is no agreement right now. Had an agreement been reached and had the Senate found it defective, then that would be the appropriate time for the Senate to act. Moreover, the Senate could well express its position i.e., by a sense of the Senate resolution or other legislation even if the President did not submit the agreement to the Senate for its consideration.
    well, as none of are privy to any terms, none of us can answer the question with any accuracy.

    the proper time for the Senate to act in it's constitutional role is prior to a agreement being made, not after..."advise and consent" can only come prior to an agreement being entered into.
    furthermore, in the event Obama actually submits the agreement for their reading pleasure, you are arguing the Senate should simply voice their opinion through a non-binding resolution that carries no legal weight in any jurisdiction,...
    as Obama has previously stated that he will not be submitting the agreement " for years", I guess you are left with advising the Senate to pass a non-binding resolution about something they will have little or no knowledge of, and that has already gone into effect (including the lifting of sanctions that were passed by Congress)

    you're basically arguing that Obama is correct in denying the Senate their constitutional power and duty... they should simply sit down and shut up and deal with it.
    while we agree on the actions of the Senate pertaining to he letter, I'm pretty sure that's where our agreement ends.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How so. It seems perfectly fine for DP posters to show up daily "bashing" one party or the other. It only becomes anti-American when you "bash" both.
    you'd have a point ....if you were simply bashing parties.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Senate has essentially stated that any agreement, no matter what it is, will be deemed unacceptable. It is a clear attempt to undermine the president, no matter the outcome.
    that is simply untrue....he Senate has stated no such thing.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Face it...

    Obama could have avoided all this conflict he's generated since the last election if he had only faced reality instead of deciding to work against the wishes of Congress from the get-go. I think it's already been said in this thread, but "you reap what you sow".
    there's a lot of reaping an sowing going on for both sides, but yes... Obama is most assuredly reaping what he has sown.
    when you flat out deny the Senate their constitutional duties.. they tend to fight back against it... though , in this particular case, their tactic was pretty stupid.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    from the State dept.. 1975.. read it slowly.


    wake me when the prosecutions begin....
    I'm not sure where I called for prosecutions. The Logan Act hasn't been used in forever so the idea of prosecution is far-fetched...saying that they are borderline violating the act is different than stating they should be prosecuted.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you'd have a point ....if you were simply bashing parties.
    I'm criticizing the leadership, understand, of both parties. And particularly with regards to FP.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You're right with those two examples, they are examples. But the law really isn't aimed at private citizens. That's why the important part isn't the talking with foreign governments or leaders, it's talking to foreign governments or leaders with intent to influence an ongoing international dispute. Basically, it's to ensure that we have one face when negotiating internationally. The party that's not in charge is not permitted to conduct discussions with foreign leaders for the purpose of undercutting current negotiations.

    We sat through this when Bush was making a disaster on the national stage. Like it or not, he was president. All negotiations had to go through the state department. Elections have consequences, you don't get to pretend that the president isn't there just because you disagree with him.
    You neglected to mention these Bush 'disasters' but here is the guy now doing the negotiations with Iran.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew5qP2oPdtQ
    He feels he is comparable to Ronald Reagan.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not sure where I called for prosecutions. The Logan Act hasn't been used in forever so the idea of prosecution is far-fetched...saying that they are borderline violating the act is different than stating they should be prosecuted.
    fair enough... though i disagree they are even borderline violating the act, due to the inherent authority their office provides.

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