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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Senate has essentially stated that any agreement, no matter what it is, will be deemed unacceptable. It is a clear attempt to undermine the president, no matter the outcome.
    If there is an agreement that allows Iran to have a nuclear weapons program, then I would agree that its unacceptable. After-all, the letter didn't mention a nuclear energy program.

    There have been zero executive agreements made over international armaments? 99% have been treaties authorized by Senate advice and consent, and 1 was a congressional executive agreement( passed with majority of both House & Senate votes ).
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ... and now he gets in a little dig at the American people.... nice.
    How so. It seems perfectly fine for DP posters to show up daily "bashing" one party or the other. It only becomes anti-American when you "bash" both.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The "strength and determination" of an "ally" who receives billions in aid from us and doesn't want it to stop. You think he doesn't have an ulterior motive here? Iran has enough conventional weapons to turn Tel Aviv into a crater. If Iran was that hellbent on destroying Israel, regardless of retribution, they would have done it already.

    The Iranian government is a bunch of first-rate assholes, but I've seen nothing to indicate that they are suicidal.
    That's just nonsense.

    One Israeli nuclear bomb dropped on Teheran and the Mullahs would be dust. Conventional weapons mean nothing in a life and death match against an enemy who has nuclear weapons. It's why the Iranian Mullahs know they can't fulfill their ultimate goal of destroying Israel unless they have the first strike nuclear capability that they desire.

    It may matter little to you what happens to Israel or what happens to the balance of power in the Middle East should Iran succeed in getting nuclear weapons and that's fine. But if you don't think those who govern and act on the basis of religious intolerance aren't fully comfortable with suicide missions, you're not paying attention to world events the past couple of decades.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And again, what in the letter is a violation of the language of the act you presented?

    And just for reference, what about Jimmy Carter's frequent visits to Palestine and contact with Palestinian leaders criticizing both Israel and the US relations and negotiations? What about Denis Rodman's visits to North Korea and contact with PRNK leadership?

    Those two examples would be far more representative of interference in US relations and negotiations with a foreign government. Perhaps the law you reference, while not relevant in this particular case, is no longer relevant in any case.
    You're right with those two examples, they are examples. But the law really isn't aimed at private citizens. That's why the important part isn't the talking with foreign governments or leaders, it's talking to foreign governments or leaders with intent to influence an ongoing international dispute. Basically, it's to ensure that we have one face when negotiating internationally. The party that's not in charge is not permitted to conduct discussions with foreign leaders for the purpose of undercutting current negotiations.

    We sat through this when Bush was making a disaster on the national stage. Like it or not, he was president. All negotiations had to go through the state department. Elections have consequences, you don't get to pretend that the president isn't there just because you disagree with him.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Republicans could have avoided it, too, if they hadn't decided from day one they were going to screw this guy like no president has been screwed before.
    You could be working for the Peoples Republic of North Korea with that ability to weave imaginary propaganda. But I do admire the fact that, unlike others, you still hold your Obama doll close to the chest when you turn out the lights each night.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    We sat through this when Bush was making a disaster on the national stage. Like it or not, he was president. All negotiations had to go through the state department. Elections have consequences, you don't get to pretend that the president isn't there just because you disagree with him.
    You mean like when Nancy Pelosi met with Assad in 2007? Or when Democrats went to Iraq in 2002? Or when Rockerfeller went to the Saudia Arabia, Jordan, and Syria in 2002?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    There's a difference between explaining a constitutional process and actually carrying it out. The Senators could have made all the points they did in their letter after an agreement had been reached during the Senate's review of the agreement.
    No they couldn't have - the Administration has announced that Constitution Schmonstitution, it doesn't have to send any agreement to the Senate.

    The President cannot bar the Senate from reviewing such agreements.
    The President disagrees with you, and thinks he can

    Instead, it weighed in with a letter to a foreign government during the diplomatic process when no such agreement has been reached and prospects remain uncertain. That's where the problem exists and it's a lack of understanding about implementation (unless one wants to attribute other motives to the letter e.g. a preemptive bid to blow up the negotiations).
    On the contrary - if you will read the text of the letter, it specifically is addressing the point brought up above - that any agreement that isn't ratified by Congress is simply an Executive Agreement that relies solely on Executive Authority, and is thus weaker.

    The Senate should have waited until there was an agreement and then pressed for its submission for ratification. Failing such submission, it could still have pursued various legislative remedies. Moreover, if the Iran misses its March deadline, which remains a possibility, the Senate can readily act to renew suspended sanctions, etc.
    The President has already said he would veto such an action. Checks and Balances? He Don't Need No Stinkin Checks and Balances!

    Instead, the Senators intervened prematurely. Weighing in as directly as the Senators did with a letter to a foreign government is technically not prohibited by the Constitution. However, it is not consistent with the process set forth by the Framers or their further articulation of such principles in the Federalist Papers.
    That's interesting. Can you demonstrate that, by showing where Congress making clear a Constitutional point of order during negotiations with a foreign country in which the Executive is attempting to (quite potentially unconstitutionally) expand it's authority beyond it's bounds, was decried, or derided, or otherwise looked down upon in those writers?

    Secretary Clinton's use of a private e-mail account is entirely another matter.
    It's the major news cycle, and it's bad for Democrats. The desperate need to shift the cycle explains not a little of the "Shock, Shock To Find Gambling Going On In Here!" that we are seeing.

    If anything, the letter diverted attention from that issue
    Which is my point.

    Moreover, there will be ample time during the campaign process for candidates in both Parties to raise questions about that issue
    At which point in time the Media and liberals will dismiss it as "old news", pretending that yesterday's news conference in which no answers were given and the possibility of giving answers was derided somehow instead answered everything, which now doesn't have to be rehashed. The game is rather obvious.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Here's some advice for you: "don't dish out what you're not prepared to eat."
    that's pretty good advice, except I didn't attack you personally...so keep yourself in check.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    You mean like when Nancy Pelosi met with Assad in 2007? Or when Democrats went to Iraq in 2002? Or when Rockerfeller went to the Saudia Arabia, Jordan, and Syria in 2002?
    Did they have a passport? Did they notify the state department of their visits? And what ongoing negotiations did they sabotage?

    Here's a take by an Obama hating conservative that I found to be pretty darn convincing.
    Republican Congressmen Violated Logan Act By Negotiating With Foreign Leaders Washington's Blog

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's pretty good advice, except I didn't attack you personally...so keep yourself in check.
    You called him a troll.

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