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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

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iliveonramen said:
Do we really have to go over the disasters of Republican administrations...from Iran Contra to the war in Iraq....the Republican party has been horrendous in foreign policy and the majority of Obama's Mid East problems are a result of those mistakes.
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You DO know how stupid you look every time you spew "but the republicans!!! but the republicans!!!"

It doesnt minimize the failings of this administration in the least and only serves to make both the administration and you look ever increasingly impotent.
 
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Samhain said:
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Feel free to explain the picture.
 
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iliveonramen said:
I have no trust in Republicans...not only do they lie but they try and re-write history



Mitch McConnell with a blatant lie...it was the Obama administration in 2012 that went around getting support for sanctions against Iran. It was Republicans that were talking red-line and military options.
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That you hold the GOP in such regard and not the democrat party with the same says everything anyone would ever need to know about you.
 
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Cardinal said:
So you accept this precedent then? If a Republican president is in difficult negotiations with a foreign leader you'll be perfectly happy if a Democrat-controlled congress writes that leader to say, "Oh, hey, by the way, no matter what you guys arrive at we're not going to ratify it because our president doesn't have the authority to negotiate with you...wacka wacka!"
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it won't be as entertaining the 2nd time it happens.... but yeah, turnabout is fair play in my book.

the American people are tired of all this bull****... but I don't see anyone coming down the pipe with the leadership skills to end it.
 
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Thrilla said:
it won't be as entertaining the 2nd time it happens.... but yeah, turnabout is fair play in my book.

the American people are tired of all this bull****... but I don't see anyone coming down the pipe with the leadership skills to end it.
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"Turnabout is fair play" is a game for children. Arriving at a deal with Iran, however unpleasant, has serious consequences and is important.
 
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1750Texan said:
There is no advise and consent requirement on this agreement. President Obama is not appointing anyone to a position nor is he drafting a treaty.

Congress does not even have to worry their pretty little heads.
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That would make the Iran "agreement" expire upon Obama's term in office. To have a lasting treaty with Iran requires a supermajority in the Senate.

[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
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Advice and consent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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VanceMack said:
You DO know how stupid you look every time you spew "but the republicans!!! but the republicans!!!"

It doesnt minimize the failings of this administration in the least and only serves to make both the administration and you look ever increasingly impotent.
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No...but it puts things into context....foreign affairs isn't easy and constantly running around the world with a big stick creates more problems than letting things play out on their own. The only thing impotent is right wing introspection. Just rinse and repeat the same stupid mistakes
 
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iliveonramen said:
Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.
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So, Obama goes around Congress with executive orders, as is his right, and all is good in the world. Congress goes around Obama, with a letter, and it's because they don't like Obama.

And you're right - nobody knows what's in a potential deal, except for the parts leaked by the White House, apparently rejected by Iran, and unacceptable to the 47 in the Senate who are signatories to the letter. Other than that, nobody knows.
 
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Samhain said:
CONGRESS - LETTER TO NICARAGUA - 'DEAR COMANDANTE' - NYTimes.com

The picture is John Kerry and Tom Harkin visiting with the Nicaraguan Sandinista communists to undermine Reagan.
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The funny thing is that in the article the Democrats don't even say anything about Reagan leaving office in a few years and therefore any of his policies are effectively moot, and that they'll just shoot down any agreement he arrives at with them anyway, and yet, Gingrich still had this to say, ''This letter,'' Mr. Gingrich wrote, ''clearly violates the constitutional separation of powers. It's at best unwise, and at worst illegal.''

Was he right?
 
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iliveonramen said:
No...but it puts things into context....foreign affairs isn't easy and constantly running around the world with a big stick creates more problems than letting things play out on their own. The only thing impotent is right wing introspection. Just rinse and repeat the same stupid mistakes
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Good lord...

Its ok that he is doing stupid things and has failed miserably in the past...cuz...its hard and stuff...
 
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iliveonramen said:
The Democratic party is easily the less of the two evils.
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Again...says everything anyone would ever need to know about you.
 
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1750Texan said:
your trust in him is irrelevant.
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It's not my trust in Obama (of which there's little), it's the GOP's trust in him.

iliveonramen said:
Republicans don't trust Obama...but they don't trust any Democratic President.
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The GOP may not have trusted Bill Clinton, but the GOP could work with him. Don't think that' the case here, nor do I think that it's a simple blanket statement that you are making either.

laurcunningham said:
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See, I don't agree with this statement. I believe that he has bothered to earn trust but that people very heavily against him ever having won the Presidency have never tried to accept it. I get it. This country is extraordinarily partisan in nature these days, but I feel the need to call bull**** on the claim that Obama has never tried to work with Republicans and gain trust within this country. I digress, however, seeing as though this post is about this letter that was written.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point, or save it for another thread.
 
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Samhain said:
Based on the White House's own statements, nobody will until its agreed.

Mark Knoller: "WH says if nuke deal is reached with Iran it won't be a treaty subject to Senate ratification."

So the Republicans are correct, it will be a deal between the current Executive branch and Iran, to be terminated at the descresion of future Executive branch leaders.
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If so, the President will not be able to waive Congressional sanctions that Obama signed into law without Congressional approval to rescind them.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
So, Obama goes around Congress with executive orders, as is his right, and all is good in the world. Congress goes around Obama, with a letter, and it's because they don't like Obama.
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Obama's executive orders were signed 6 years into his tenure and well after Congress has failed to solve problems. This is undermining a negotiation without even giving it a chance. It's more comparable to Obama walking in and signing executive orders on day 1.

And you're right - nobody knows what's in a potential deal, except for the parts leaked by the White House, apparently rejected by Iran, and unacceptable to the 47 in the Senate who are signatories to the letter. Other than that, nobody knows.
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Okay, so you admit Congress is actively undermining a negotiation without even knowing what they are undermining.

The worst part is...sanctions depends on other countries actively supporting the sanctions. The countries that are apart of this negotiation? Yeah, they are the countries that co-operated and made the current sanctions work. If congress ultimately undermines these negotiations the chance are slim they are going to jump back into sanctions.
 
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eohrnberger said:
The GOP may not have trusted Bill Clinton, but the GOP could work with him. Don't think that' the case here, nor do I think that it's a simple blanket statement that you are making either.
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No they didn't...they shut down the government and tried to impeach him.
 
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Cardinal said:
The funny thing in that in the article the Democrats don't even say anything about Reagan leaving office in a few years and therefore any of his policies are effectively moot, and yet, Gingrich still had this to say, ''This letter,'' Mr. Gingrich wrote, ''clearly violates the constitutional separation of powers. It's at best unwise, and at worst illegal.''

Was he right?
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Point being, its been done before, and it will happen again. Everyone will whine and bitch, until it happens again, then we will switch sides, and still whine and bitch.

If you want an example of illegal intervention, look up Ted Kennedy trying to bride the Russians in 1984 to keep Reagan from being elected.
 
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iliveonramen said:
Uhh...I see to remember an immigration reform bill passing the Senate and not allowed on the floor to be voted on in the House....and based on all the talk and up or down vote would of meant passage of the bill.

Obstructionism has consequences. Republicans are reaping what they sow.
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Hmm... If the House passes a bill must the Senate vote on it? You seem to have very partisan blinders on when it comes to what congress "should" do.
 
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iliveonramen said:
Obama's executive orders were signed 6 years into his tenure and well after Congress has failed to solve problems. This is undermining a negotiation without even giving it a chance. It's more comparable to Obama walking in and signing executive orders on day 1.


Okay, so you admit Congress is actively undermining a negotiation without even knowing what they are undermining.

The worst part is...sanctions depends on other countries actively supporting the sanctions. The countries that are apart of this negotiation? Yeah, they are the countries that co-operated and made the current sanctions work. If congress ultimately undermines these negotiations the chance are slim they are going to jump back into sanctions.
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Who controlled the house for a large portion of those 6 years? The Senate for ALL SIX of those years?
 
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Samhain said:
Point being, its been done before, and it will happen again. Everyone will whine and bitch, until it happens again, then we will switch sides, and still whine and bitch.

If you want an example of illegal intervention, look up Ted Kennedy trying to bride the Russians in 1984 to keep Reagan from being elected.
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No, your example wasn't a valid analogy as I explained. And again, regarding Gingrich's comment, was he right? And what you also never directly answered is, do you accept this as being standard fare for when a Republican president is in difficult negotiations with a foreign leader?
 
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Cardinal said:
"Turnabout is fair play" is a game for children. Arriving at a deal with Iran, however unpleasant, has serious consequences and is important.
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our "leaders" are children, though not chronologically.

I think a deal with Iran is important too... important enough for both Obama and Congress to get off their idiot high horses and work together....which seem unlikely to happen on eithers account.

.. in any event, I will be entertained... I'm in no fear of Iran....I don't live in Israel, so I can afford the luxury of being a spectator.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

iliveonramen said:
Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.
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Actually it's because, well, we should know what is in the deal.

The fact that this is Obama and his track record is abysmal is only secondary. :2razz:
 
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laurcunningham said:
I will admit that I only heard about this situation for the first time yesterday, so I don't know the full scope of the situation at this point, but if in fact 47 Republican Congresspeople wrote a letter and supported a measure to warn Iran to not work with Obama, then yes there is a problem. I'm going to try to tread lightly here, however, because I don't know the full story at this point. I felt the need to respond to this, however, because I know it's fun to pretend that every Democrat/liberal/socialist/progressive supports everything that Obama has ever done, but that is 100% false. I voted for him both times, I don't regret that, but I also definitely do not support everything that he has done. There are plenty of actions that he has taken that I believe are not helpful to this country.



I'm just curious. Do you believe that Republicans have gone above and beyond, throughout Obama's entire presidency, to try to work with him? Do you believe that the only reason why there is friction within his presidency is because he alone is refusing to be bipartisan? There haven't been any situations at all where Republicans have purposefully shown evidence of being 100% partisan and purposefully refusing to work with him to come to an agreement on an issue?



See, I don't agree with this statement. I believe that he has bothered to earn trust but that people very heavily against him ever having won the Presidency have never tried to accept it. I get it. This country is extraordinarily partisan in nature these days, but I feel the need to call bull**** on the claim that Obama has never tried to work with Republicans and gain trust within this country. I digress, however, seeing as though this post is about this letter that was written.
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To be clear, the Republican letter does not "warn Iran to not work with Obama" - it does, however, advise Iran that any agreement Obama enters into that does not have Congressional approval is an agreement that will potentially stand void once Obama leaves office. Better to have that upfront and transparent than to have the Iranians claim the US lied.
 
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