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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Are you sure that it's not legally wrong? The President is the only one authorized to negotiate agreements with foreign powers. The Senate is certainly not authorized to conduct these negotiations. Under the Logan Act, any direct communication to a foreign government which intends to interfere with official negotiations is illegal.

    In 1975 two senators were investigated for violating the Logan act because they visited Cuba. They were later found to be not in violation because they disclosed their intent to the administration, made the purpose of their visit clear to both the Cuban and American government, and were issued an official passport. The administration didn't give its blessing, but it was given the opportunity to object and chose not to.

    This letter did none of those things.
    Well then you need to get this administration to carry out it's duties and prosecute them for treason.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There was just another post similar to this posted.

    I'll summarize what I posted in that thread: Obama has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Congress and Republicans in general. "I won" and "I have a pen and phone" are just a sample of those astoundingly arrogant statements. Now Congress shows they have a pen and phone as well. Obama could have invited Congress to oversee (which is Congress' duty by the way) such international deals but he cut them out. Now he gets the slap of a cold fish in the face and doesn't like it. The moral of the story to Obama: Actions have consequences. Are you surprised? Really?
    Well said!!

    This is exactly my reaction and I'm glad to see that the second post in this thread is what I would have posted if I had seen it earlier.

    I haven't read the rest of this thread yet (12 pages...I don't know if I will), but as far as I'm concerned, there's really nothing more to be said except...what comes around, goes around.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As I've read this thread today and seen others' comments, I've been starting to think that the Republicans, through their letter, may actually have given President Obama a boost in that he can now go to the Iranians and say, "See, I told you that I can only go so far with the legal abilities I have and the resistance I have in Congress to go further. If you want a deal, we're going to have to get it soon and under more reasonable terms or my hands will be tied and we may be headed to war."

    Wouldn't it be a stroke of genius if both Obama and Senate Republicans worked some behind the scenes magic to pull this off?

    I know, I'm dreaming, but it would be a good plot line, no?
    The problem is that the jihadists who rule Iran know very well that Limpwrist will never order any military action against them. He can make any agreement to sell out this country and Israel that he wants, but the next president can also ignore it--and should. What no one seems to mention is that the more weakness Obama shows, the more likely he makes it that Israel will launch a desperate attack on the Iranian nuclear facilities which may not work. At least as long as Mr. Netanyahu heads Israel's government, I am sure it will do anything necessary to prevent Iran from making an atom bomb. It is not even out of the question that Israel would use nuclear weapons to attack the underground facilities at Fordoz and Natanz. That is what this appeasement of Iran is inviting.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Did anyone expect Congress, especially a Republican Congress, not to act like very evil children after anon a hundred years of doing the same?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarian View Post
    Well then you need to get this administration to carry out it's duties and prosecute them for treason.
    Treason?

    The Logan Act was passed to prevent congress from interfering in negotiations with the French government in 1799. It's pretty analogous to what the Senators did, and it's a law passed by our founding fathers.

    But violating the Logan act is not the same thing as treason. The punishment for treason can be death. The punishment for violating the Logan act varies from fines to no more than three years in prison. I think a fine or censure is called for.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Are you sure that it's not legally wrong? The President is the only one authorized to negotiate agreements with foreign powers. The Senate is certainly not authorized to conduct these negotiations. Under the Logan Act, any direct communication to a foreign government which intends to interfere with official negotiations is illegal.

    In 1975 two senators were investigated for violating the Logan act because they visited Cuba. They were later found to be not in violation because they disclosed their intent to the administration, made the purpose of their visit clear to both the Cuban and American government, and were issued an official passport. The administration didn't give its blessing, but it was given the opportunity to object and chose not to.

    This letter did none of those things.
    Clear it up for me - what, specifically, in the letter is the Senate "conducting negotiations"?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Treason?

    The Logan Act was passed to prevent congress from interfering in negotiations with the French government in 1799. It's pretty analogous to what the Senators did, and it's a law passed by our founding fathers.

    But violating the Logan act is not the same thing as treason. The punishment for treason can be death. The punishment for violating the Logan act varies from fines to no more than three years in prison. I think a fine or censure is called for.
    yeah, sorry, the Logan act does not apply to Congressmen acting on their authority.
    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
    1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).
    are you going to argue that US Senators acting in their official capacity do not have the authority of the United States?... I'd rethink that premise, if i were you.


    the Logan act was meant to prevent private citizens, without authority of the united states, from undermining negotiations

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Treason?

    The Logan Act was passed to prevent congress from interfering in negotiations with the French government in 1799. It's pretty analogous to what the Senators did, and it's a law passed by our founding fathers.

    But violating the Logan act is not the same thing as treason. The punishment for treason can be death. The punishment for violating the Logan act varies from fines to no more than three years in prison. I think a fine or censure is called for.
    Either way the democrats needs to get on it and punish those that dare to challenge their King.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yeah, sorry, the Logan act does not apply to Congressmen acting on their authority.


    are you going to argue that US Senators acting in their official capacity do not have the authority of the United States?... I'd rethink that premise, if i were you.


    the Logan act was meant to prevent private citizens, without authority of the united states, from undermining negotiations
    Only their King has sole authority......all others do not apply.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Did anyone expect Congress, especially a Republican Congress, not to act like very evil children after anon a hundred years of doing the same?
    I have come to expect the leftist members of the lumpenproletariat who serve as President Pinocchio's rear guard to act like very witless children. And I'm seldom disappointed.

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