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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    your trust in him is irrelevant.
    Congress doesn't trust him either, are they irrelevant?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    If you are a supporter of President Pinocchio, you might want to be a little less free to accuse his opponents of dishonesty. Mr. Obama, in the best commie tradition, is a shameless, habitual liar.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by laurcunningham View Post
    Was this letter sent with Obama's knowledge? Or was it done behind his back in an attempt to let Iran know that if they enter into an agreement with Obama that after he leaves office it's very possible that Congress will void the deal completely?
    As far as I know, it was an open letter - meaning the media got it before anyone else got it. The Iranians didn't know about it before Obama and the White House did. As many have argued, it was likely a political move for domestic consumption as it was for the Iranians. By doing it in this manner, the Republicans ensured that the media would cover it and by extension the American people would know what Obama was up to and that Senate Republicans weren't going to go along based on the information (leaks) they'd had to date.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As far as I know, it was an open letter - meaning the media got it before anyone else got it. The Iranians didn't know about it before Obama and the White House did. As many have argued, it was likely a political move for domestic consumption as it was for the Iranians. By doing it in this manner, the Republicans ensured that the media would cover it and by extension the American people would know what Obama was up to and that Senate Republicans weren't going to go along based on the information (leaks) they'd had to date.
    Stop it......exposing the truth is extremely painful to bear.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by laurcunningham View Post
    Hmm, see there is the problem. You made up your mind about Obama before he even started and decided he was a worthless president. Obama has changed a lot since the very beginning, but you're very blind to this because you've hated him from the beginning. When he first started he was very willing to work with everyone. If your eyes had been open and you had paid attention to anything other than FOX News you would have seen that. It's very, very obvious that his interest in going round and round with Republicans in his last four years has changed. He's a completely different person at this point.

    The whole point of democracy is to work together, back and forth, to come up with an agreement that benefits as many people as possible. So let's say Obama says, "Let's open the borders to allow anyone and everyone to come in without question, what do you think?" The Republicans come back with, "No, we should actually kill every Mexican and Muslim in this country without question because they're all terrorists that are spreading measles and trying to force us into Sharia Law." Clearly, even you can see, that both sides are too extreme. The problem is that because Obama doesn't just say, "Okay, you're right, let's just kill all Mexicans and Muslims," suddenly he "is refusing to work with them. Instead he says, "Okay, well no, that's not going to work. How about we [do this instead]." Now he is a dictator that isn't working with Republicans. This has been happening the whole time he has been president and so yes, he has changed significantly because why keep screaming and battling and fighting with people who don't actually want to come to a neutral agreement? What the hell is the point anymore?


    He made up his mind?

    How long have you known Ockham, long enough to know what he was thing eight years ago?

    This is the problem with socialists like you, so blind by your own biases, you cannot conceive that others may have had an open mind at some point in their lives.

    And this, this amounts to the absurd, wrapped in a lie and lying in Obama****..

    ""No, we should actually kill every Mexican and Muslim in this country....."

    You are the one needs to look at preconceptions, biases, rumor mongering and slander...
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It is wrong, it's very wrong. It's purpose is to undermine the President in the negotiation and it has resulted in Iran stating that the US is untrustworthy. It gives hardliners in Iran that don't want a deal more fuel to say "see....no matter what we agree to there will be sanctions...we told you negotiations were worthless." It's borderline a violation of the Logan Act. There's a reason diplomacy should be done through one voice in the international scene...there's a reason the Logan Act was passed.


    it's a mix of legislation and executive orders.
    It's not wrong, legally, although you may disagree with the action or the motive as you perceive it. That just makes it controversial, which I agree it is. The Republicans in the Senate who signed the letter, however, aren't the only people who want to see more out of these negotiations and if that undermines Obama's weak position, so be it.

    As for the sanctions - we agree - which should also enforce that the Senate Republicans are right and if Obama is in any way promising that all US sanctions will be dropped, the Iranians are wise to be wary that the US, through Obama, isn't trustworthy. It's not unlike Obama to promise something he knows is literally false and not his to grant.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    As I've read this thread today and seen others' comments, I've been starting to think that the Republicans, through their letter, may actually have given President Obama a boost in that he can now go to the Iranians and say, "See, I told you that I can only go so far with the legal abilities I have and the resistance I have in Congress to go further. If you want a deal, we're going to have to get it soon and under more reasonable terms or my hands will be tied and we may be headed to war."

    Wouldn't it be a stroke of genius if both Obama and Senate Republicans worked some behind the scenes magic to pull this off?

    I know, I'm dreaming, but it would be a good plot line, no?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by laurcunningham View Post
    Hmm, see there is the problem. You made up your mind about Obama before he even started and decided he was a worthless president.
    He has amply confirmed the opinion of everyone who thought he was a worthless president. He has assured his place among the very worst in U.S. history. His habitual lawlessness and contempt for the Constitution provide more than enough reason to impeach him, and if it were not for his race he would have been impeached by now.

    If your eyes had been open and you had paid attention to anything other than FOX News you would have seen that.
    Yes, I am sure you consult the Economist and Foreign Affairs regularly, but good ole Fox News suits my limited, provincial mind much better. That's why it's all I pay attention to--well, that and all the pretty conservative women. Those of us who are clinging to our guns and Bibles can't hope to aspire to your cosmopolitan wisdom and profound insight.

    It's very, very obvious that his interest in going round and round with Republicans in his last four years has changed. He's a completely different person at this point.
    My goodness--how wonderful. If only it were true. The leopard cannot change its spots, and President Pinocchio is just as much a damned un-American liar as he always was.

    Now he is a dictator
    That part you have right. Like any other Red who resents this country, B. Hussein Obama has very much the instincts of a dictator. Leftists are at heart intolerant brownshirts, a fact they try to hide by pretending to be "liberal." They are the very opposite of liberal.

    This has been happening the whole time he has been president and so yes, he has changed significantly because why keep screaming and battling and fighting with people who don't actually want to come to a neutral agreement? What the hell is the point anymore?
    In other words, we who do not share B. Hussein Obama's ill will toward America should just sit down, shut up, and let The Man Who Would Be King dictate how things will be. I think that is much closer to what you really think "the whole point of democracy is."
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's not wrong, legally, although you may disagree with the action or the motive as you perceive it. That just makes it controversial, which I agree it is. The Republicans in the Senate who signed the letter, however, aren't the only people who want to see more out of these negotiations and if that undermines Obama's weak position, so be it.

    As for the sanctions - we agree - which should also enforce that the Senate Republicans are right and if Obama is in any way promising that all US sanctions will be dropped, the Iranians are wise to be wary that the US, through Obama, isn't trustworthy. It's not unlike Obama to promise something he knows is literally false and not his to grant.
    Actually IMO it strengthen Obama negotiations stance towards the Iranians. He needs to take advantage of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    As I've read this thread today and seen others' comments, I've been starting to think that the Republicans, through their letter, may actually have given President Obama a boost in that he can now go to the Iranians and say, "See, I told you that I can only go so far with the legal abilities I have and the resistance I have in Congress to go further. If you want a deal, we're going to have to get it soon and under more reasonable terms or my hands will be tied and we may be headed to war."

    Wouldn't it be a stroke of genius if both Obama and Senate Republicans worked some behind the scenes magic to pull this off?

    I know, I'm dreaming, but it would be a good plot line, no?
    Ahh....you nailed it.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's not wrong, legally, although you may disagree with the action or the motive as you perceive it. That just makes it controversial, which I agree it is. The Republicans in the Senate who signed the letter, however, aren't the only people who want to see more out of these negotiations and if that undermines Obama's weak position, so be it.

    As for the sanctions - we agree - which should also enforce that the Senate Republicans are right and if Obama is in any way promising that all US sanctions will be dropped, the Iranians are wise to be wary that the US, through Obama, isn't trustworthy. It's not unlike Obama to promise something he knows is literally false and not his to grant.
    Are you sure that it's not legally wrong? The President is the only one authorized to negotiate agreements with foreign powers. The Senate is certainly not authorized to conduct these negotiations. Under the Logan Act, any direct communication to a foreign government which intends to interfere with official negotiations is illegal.

    In 1975 two senators were investigated for violating the Logan act because they visited Cuba. They were later found to be not in violation because they disclosed their intent to the administration, made the purpose of their visit clear to both the Cuban and American government, and were issued an official passport. The administration didn't give its blessing, but it was given the opportunity to object and chose not to.

    This letter did none of those things.

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