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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I can't see why it matters what their precise motivation was - the result, presumably intended, was outing a proudly racist fraternity.

    Also, a fraternity full of idiots who chanted this nonsense on a bus filled with lots of non-members as witnesses, nearly all of them with recording devices. That's the only thing shocking about the incident - the racism was widespread and casual enough that they felt comfortable expressing it in the company of (basically) strangers.
    You know who else was on that bus? The university is trying to find out who took the video and who uploaded it to YouTube. Who were all of the non-members with recording devices, and how do you know they were all strangers?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You like how some people support racism? To each his own, I suppose.
    I hope you're feigning ignorance.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Violation of their First Amendment rights, if the legal experts are correct. They are protected in these public universities. Money. Payback. Notoriety. Abuse of their Constitutional rights. People sue all the time for lesser things.
    I suppose they could sue to be reimbursed for their tuition and related fees, but it hardly seems worth it.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You know who else was on that bus? The university is trying to find out who took the video and who uploaded it to YouTube. Who were all of the non-members with recording devices, and how do you know they were all strangers?
    Reportedly, some of those singing were women from the tri-delta sorority - don't know why they've escaped scrutiny thus far.

    EDIT: Never mind, it looks like those earlier reports did not hold up under scrutiny.
    Last edited by Taylor; 03-10-15 at 03:04 PM.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I suppose they could sue to be reimbursed for their tuition and related fees, but it hardly seems worth it.
    I'm sure they could, but that doesn't have anything to do with what I posted.

    If they do have First Amendment rights, and those rights were violated, they have a reason to sue. I don't believe in First Amendment rights violations. Another poster claimed earlier that someone said that the University removing SAE's charter from the campus was a First Amendment violation. I didn't see anyone say that and of course when I asked the poster to clarify it, he didn't. But that wouldn't be a Constitutional violation because the students don't have a right to a fraternity charter. This to me does appear to be a violation. And I believe that this opens the door to universities prying into their students' private lives and internet lives, and expelling them for "leadership issues" or whatever they're using here.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Hmmm....maybe I'm the only poster on here who believes in the First Amendment.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    In a public university, punishing individual students for their speech should not be permitted.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm sure they could, but that doesn't have anything to do with what I posted.

    If they do have First Amendment rights, and those rights were violated, they have a reason to sue. I don't believe in First Amendment rights violations. Another poster claimed earlier that someone said that the University removing SAE's charter from the campus was a First Amendment violation. I didn't see anyone say that and of course when I asked the poster to clarify it, he didn't. But that wouldn't be a Constitutional violation because the students don't have a right to a fraternity charter. This to me does appear to be a violation. And I believe that this opens the door to universities prying into their students' private lives and internet lives, and expelling them for "leadership issues" or whatever they're using here.

    I may not like what you say, but I will always defend your right to say it. That's what the First Amendment is about and should be about.
    Sure it does... If they were to sue the U for a first amendment violation, they would be asking the court for some sort of action in response to a wrongful expulsion - to be allowed to return to the University or to be reimbursed for time/money lost due to the expulsion. You said earlier that one of the reasons they might sue is money - well that's all the money that they'd be entitled to.

    The university did not remove the fraternity charter, the SAE organization basically disowned them, and that's what enabled the University to kick them out. Had SAE not taken that action, these guys would likely still be living in their frat house.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you know for a fact that the bus had people other than the frat members>
    There was a woman clearly pictured in the video. Right side, aisle seat, about one row up from whoever took the video. And it's been reported this was on "Date Night." Freeze frame picture of woman, and further commentary here.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    There was a woman clearly pictured in the video. Right side, aisle seat, about one row up from whoever took the video. And it's been reported this was on "Date Night." Freeze frame picture of woman, and further commentary here.
    well if they are spewing crap like that to non members, screw em



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