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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Not condoning for one minute what has been portrayed in the media regarding this frat. However, I can't help being reminded of:

    Je Suis Charlie

    I suppose ridicule and prejudice against an identifiable group is okay sometimes, but terrible at other times.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I like how conservatives always take a position that, if not tacitly supporting racists, certainly oppose any steps to criticize, denounce or punish racists.
    You like how some people support racism? To each his own, I suppose.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    I wonder how people feel about the idea of colleges looking through students' Twitter feeds, Facebook pages, Instagram accounts, message board posts, and so on, looking for offensive content so they can expel them.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No doubt they can sue the University, but I don't see why they would want to subject themselves to more media attention, or why they would want to return to the U. Time to crawl into a little hole and hide for a couple of years.
    Exactly - I suspect if Boren asked legal counsel he was told the University couldn't expel them, but he probably figured there's no downside for OU or him by doing so anyway. He's taken a very public stand against racism, satisfied donors and current students and alumni/ae and basically said to the expelled kids - "If you don't like it, sue me!" In a week or two or whatever, he can always back down if it looks like he'll have a legal problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't know that anyone said they would want to return to the University. The Duke Lacrosse players sued Duke, and it wasn't because they wanted to return there.
    I don't know what they'd sue for, if not to be allowed to return to the U.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Ah, this is how the President got around it:

    UPDATE: The university president wrote that the students are being expelled for “your leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”

    It appears that his legal counsel told him that there are First Amendment exceptions for racial and exclusionary speech (which legal experts including the ACLU say isn't the case). This will be an interesting case for sure.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't know what they'd sue for, if not to be allowed to return to the U.
    Violation of their First Amendment rights, if the legal experts are correct. They are protected in these public universities. Money. Payback. Notoriety. Abuse of their Constitutional rights. People sue all the time for lesser things.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't know that anyone said they would want to return to the University. The Duke Lacrosse players sued Duke, and it wasn't because they wanted to return there.
    There may be some there who are in their 3rd or 4th year, and may have residency/transfer limitations.
    Transfer credit can be subjective, I.E. at the discretion of the admission officer.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I wonder what the motivation was of the person who surreptitiously recorded this idiocy and made it public
    I can't see why it matters what their precise motivation was - the result, presumably intended, was outing a proudly racist fraternity.

    Also, a fraternity full of idiots who chanted this nonsense on a bus filled with lots of non-members as witnesses, nearly all of them with recording devices. That's the only thing shocking about the incident - the racism was widespread and casual enough that they felt comfortable expressing it in the company of (basically) strangers.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I can't see why it matters what their precise motivation was - the result, presumably intended, was outing a proudly racist fraternity.

    Also, a fraternity full of idiots who chanted this nonsense on a bus filled with lots of non-members as witnesses, nearly all of them with recording devices. That's the only thing shocking about the incident - the racism was widespread and casual enough that they felt comfortable expressing it in the company of (basically) strangers.
    you know for a fact that the bus had people other than the frat members>



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