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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The fact that various SAE chapters engage in the same activity supports such an argument. The only other alternative is that the region itself promotes it. However that is unlikely as we're talking about schools separated by 100s of miles.



    Nobody cares what you were. What was stated is that oral traditions are ways to pass down songs without necessarily writing it down on any official documents. That's a pretty well known fact. I argue that the same happened here. We have students who chant songs they knew well. Who did they learn them from? Other students. That gives validity to the claim that it's part of the culture. This isn't an event which starts with a generation in the 21st century and in a vacuum; Especially if the organization has historically opposed it. It's passed down from one group of students to another.
    4 chapters in 33 years. There are almost 300 active chapters, and over 300,000 living brothers of SAE.

    You just accused a very large national fraternal organization of promoting racism. You have been around long enough to know that when you accuse a group of over 300,000 people of doing something, you need to back it up. You haven't. So if you are someone who makes false and very serious accusations against people, that's fine by me. It's your right. Most people would see what you're doing as being terribly wrong.

    Carry on and make those slanderous statements.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    4 chapters in 33 years.
    3 of these in the last 2 years alone. Ignoring that little fact is pretty dishonest.

    You just accused a very large national fraternal organization of promoting racism.
    I did indeed based on the information available. You don't seem to like it because you're a greek yourself. That is irrelevant. As I stated earlier, we'll see more of these events soon enough. Even in the 1990s it was easy to be racist and not have it in media. In the age of cellphones, 3 incidents have been caught within 2 years. The evidence speaks for itself. Now, it remains to be determined whether it's a problem with the fraternity itself, or the Midwest/Southern region where they're all located.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    More like the *vengeance of political correctness. Since when is there punishment for being a racist? When will the Black fraternity with their *shooting crackers song be punished. [assuming they have one]
    Don't you wish this crap would stop altogether? Just because blacks make racist and vile remarks doesn't mean the white boys should get away with it. This is not the first or the last racial rant, its cheap, its vulgar, and it makes me wonder about parenting.
    Why must anyone carry this negativity in their hearts? Cracker, nigger, whore, wetback,dick, queer, bitch....why?
    Stop it, teach your kids to be respectful and also earn respect.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    3 of these in the last 2 years alone. Ignoring that little fact is pretty dishonest.



    I did indeed based on the information available. You don't seem to like it because you're a greek yourself. That is irrelevant. As I stated earlier, we'll see more of these events soon enough. Even in the 1990s it was easy to be racist and not have it in media. In the age of cellphones, 3 incidents have been caught within 2 years. The evidence speaks for itself.
    I haven't seen anyone, anywhere accuse their national of promoting racism - until you did it.

    Do you always make accusations against groups of over 300,000 people based on the actions of less than 2 dozen in 33 years?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I haven't seen anyone, anywhere accuse their national of promoting racism - until you did it.
    Most people are too focused on punishment for these kids. They're just doing what they've been taught to do. By whom? We don't know yet. However, judging by the unrehearsed chanting, it's probably somebody within the organization.

    Do you always make accusations against groups of over 300,000 people based on the actions of less than 2 dozen in 33 years?
    Hey 3 borrachos, when did the majority of these events take place? I can wait for you to be honest and answer.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    reprehensible, the school can boot the fraternity, but not sure a public school like this can or should be able to expell these scumbags. 1st amendment and all that.


    also came across this and found it a bit ironic..

    Oklahoma's Black Greek Organizations 'Extremely Disturbed' By Racist Frat Video


    What did the Oaklahoma's white greek organizations say? anyone have the link?


    fraternities are dumb anyway.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Most people are too focused on punishment for these kids. They're just doing what they've been taught to do. By whom? We don't know yet. However, judging by the unrehearsed chanting, it's probably somebody within the organization.



    Hey 3 borrachos, when did the majority of these events take place? I can wait for you to be honest and answer.
    The majority took place in the last few years. So once again, I will ask you for your proof that their national fraternity promotes racism. How do they do it, what are they doing, how is it that all 300,000 living members know about it and have protected the fraternity?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    reprehensible, the school can boot the fraternity, but not sure a public school like this can or should be able to expell these scumbags. 1st amendment and all that.


    also came across this and found it a bit ironic..

    Oklahoma's Black Greek Organizations 'Extremely Disturbed' By Racist Frat Video


    What did the Oaklahoma's white greek organizations say? anyone have the link?


    fraternities are dumb anyway.
    According to Wapo and a few other publications, they can't expel them from school.

    The fraternity being yanked is probably all that can happen to them at this point.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The majority took place in the last few years.
    Specifically the last 2 years. Now, can you tell us a major technological difference between 1982 and 2013?

    So once again, I will ask you for your proof that their national fraternity promotes racism.
    The evidence is in the actions of its members. If you don't like that they present that image across various states, various schools, and various regions of the US, you're welcome to challenge it. However, that's what they've unquestionably presented in the age where their actions can be recorded by anyone.

    how is it that all 300,000 living members know about it and have protected the fraternity?
    Facts and Figures - Sigma Alpha Epsilon

    219 total chapters + 20 colonies = 239 total groups
    Approximately 15,000 undergraduate/collegiate members
    Average chapter size is 59 men.
    Sigma Alpha Epsilon has initiated more than 325,000 men since our founding in 1856.
    More than 26,000 collegiate brothers have graduated from our annual John O. Moseley Leadership School.
    There are approximately 200,000 living alumni in the Fraternity.
    The average colony size is 33 men
    With your obvious mistake aside, there is no secret to keep. The organization has had other incidents which didn't really make the news:

    Oklahoma frat’s racist chant highlights the exclusionary roots of Greek life - The Washington Post

    This isn’t the first time this fraternity has been subjected to such scrutiny over overtly racist acts. In 1992, Texas A&M University fined its chapter $1,000 after it threw a “jungle party” attended by frat brothers in blackface. Then in 2002, Syracuse University suspended its chapter after one of its members went to a bar in blackface. As recently as 2013, the fraternity got suspended following allegations it had photographed African American students while pledges recited rap lyrics laced with racial slurs.
    So in short, there is no secret. Its well established that this fraternity's chapters do these things. However, let's say there was some secret: Why would it be relevant to say that a SAE chapter in the 1930s Alabama attacked black people? It wouldn't even make the front page. Why would it make the news if a fraternity chanted racist slurs in 1950s South Carolina? It wouldn't. The closer we get to iphones and cameras in every cellphone, the more these events show up. Coincidence? Nonsense.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Specifically the last 2 years. Now, can you tell us a major technological difference between 1982 and 2013?



    The evidence is in the actions of its members. If you don't like that they present that image across various states, various schools, and various regions of the US, you're welcome to challenge it. However, that's what they've unquestionably presented in the age where their actions can be recorded by anyone.



    Facts and Figures - Sigma Alpha Epsilon



    With your obvious mistake aside, there is no secret to keep. The organization has had other incidents which didn't really make the news:

    Oklahoma frat’s racist chant highlights the exclusionary roots of Greek life - The Washington Post



    So in short, there is no secret. Its well established that this fraternity's chapters do these things. However, let's say there was some secret: Why would it be relevant to say that a SAE chapter in the 1930s Alabama attacked black people? It wouldn't even make the front page. Why would it make the news if a fraternity chanted racist slurs in 1950s South Carolina? It wouldn't. The closer we get to iphones and cameras in every cellphone, the more these events show up. Coincidence? Nonsense.
    When you find those missing cell phone videos of SAE members singing racist songs, post them. Along with your evidence of how the national SAE organization is promoting, and specifically how they're doing it.
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