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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I am sure this guy will be charged right next to the bartender that recorded Romney's 47% comment.
    Is that who recorded Romney? A god damn greedy, whiny, lazy bartender? Why didn't I know this, huh...

    He should have been fired. If nothing else.

    It's sad that your sarcasm rings so true.

    It's sad that when a person doesn't have a reasonable expectation to privacy that this now means everyone on the god damn planet can be privy to the conversation.

    It's sad that I can't even put out a call for a rewrite in these privacy laws because I know doing so will only screw things up even more and give the government better control over not only what every one else sees and hears but what it itself is allowed to see and hear. Not that the law is followed much in that regard anymore anyways...
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Is that who recorded Romney? A god damn greedy, whiny, lazy bartender? Why didn't I know this, huh...

    He should have been fired. If nothing else.

    It's sad that your sarcasm rings so true.

    It's sad that when a person doesn't have a reasonable expectation to privacy that this now means everyone on the god damn planet can be privy to the conversation.

    It's sad that I can't even put out a call for a rewrite in these privacy laws because I know doing so will only screw things up even more and give the government better control over not only what every one else sees and hears but what it itself is allowed to see and hear. Not that the law is followed much in that regard anymore anyways...
    Dude there's such a thing as "Expectation of privacy".

    As an example, a few years ago you'd find a thread where I was in a security situation in the hotel with guests filming me, this made me very uncomfortable but there's nothing I can do because I couldn't prove I had an expectation of privacy in the performance if my duty in public.

    Romney was speaking at a private event with a fair number of people, he was filmed.

    A bus full of lads who probably 95% of which have smartphones with a Camera as does most of the population at this point...

    There's no expectation of privacy in either of those cases.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They were expelled from college. Is that not being held accountable? Why do you have to know their names, or me, or anyone else? You know as well as I do that the expulsion will be on their permanent records.
    I don't even know what your position is. I guess you're arguing that these kids should be held privately accountable, but only by the school and shouldn't face any public consequences and should therefore remain anonymous except in the records of OU. I don't have any idea how you'd defend that as some kind of principle, just as a facts and circumstances thing, and in your view, with these facts, being expelled is more than enough punishment for the 'crime' of being a stupid, drunk college kid leading a racist chant.

    OK, that's fine. We can agree to disagree, and it's a moot point anyway because as soon as the video hit Youtube, their names were coming out sooner or later and I'm fine with that.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    [QUOTE=tres borrachos;1064409551]
    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post

    Sorry, I can't spend time in Alabama in 1856, so knowing what it was like 150 years ago when the fraternity was founded isn't going to happen.

    And once again, what do people who live in Alabama today have anything to do with the SAE fraternity?


    Take a few minutes and read this article: History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

    You might learn something.

    Not every White person in Alabama is a racist, but quite a few of them are. It's their legacy from their ancestors.

    Denying the existence of racism and ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    I'm sure the faux liberals who applaud this kind of trampling on the freedom of speech also applaud the campus kangaroo courts which continue to ruin the lives of young men who may very well be innocent of the sexual misconduct they are charged with. Their contempt for due process is consistent with their contempt for the Constitution in general--at least as far as they understand it. Their dim Mother Jones-style "knowledge" of the Constitution of course does not begin to approach that of their idol Mr. Obama. But then his only interest in the Constitution is how best to evade it.

    The only kind of intolerance fake liberals approve of is their own. Being members of a self-anointed moral elite, they reserve the right to do what the hoi polloi may not. (That's why it's fine for President Pinocchio, and the Delaware Dunce, and the Belle of Benghazi, and Pocahontas Warren, and Lois "I Take the Fifth" Lerner and their ilk to lie whenever the hell they want, and yet wrong for non-leftists.)
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Is that who recorded Romney? A god damn greedy, whiny, lazy bartender? Why didn't I know this, huh...

    He should have been fired. If nothing else.

    It's sad that your sarcasm rings so true.

    It's sad that when a person doesn't have a reasonable expectation to privacy that this now means everyone on the god damn planet can be privy to the conversation.

    It's sad that I can't even put out a call for a rewrite in these privacy laws because I know doing so will only screw things up even more and give the government better control over not only what every one else sees and hears but what it itself is allowed to see and hear. Not that the law is followed much in that regard anymore anyways...
    Romney was a big boy running for the most powerful and public job on planet earth, and if he expected his words in front of a large group to remain private, he was an idiot. Same with Obama speaking to the group in SF as I recall when he made the "cling to guns or religion" comment.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I'm sure the faux liberals who applaud this kind of trampling on the freedom of speech also applaud the campus kangaroo courts which continue to ruin the lives of young men who may very well be innocent of the sexual misconduct they are charged with. The only kind of intolerance fake liberals approve of is their own. Being members of a self-anointed moral elite, they reserve the right to do what the hoi polloi may not. (That's why it's OK for President Pinocchio, and the Delaware Dunce, and the Belle of Benghazi, and Pocahontas Warren, and Lois "I Take the Fifth" Lerner to lie whenever the hell they want, but not for non-leftists.)
    Who exactly is applauding trampling on freedom of speech? Or is this just another of your drive by hand grenades where you slur "liberals" with imagined viewpoints that no one in this discussion is actually expressing?

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It isn't a private university. It's a public university. As with any other public (government) entity, they're subject to the free speech guarantees of the First Amendment and aren't supposed punish students because they hold offensive views. This has been argued many times in courts.

    Public businesses can't operate how they choose. That's why you can't open a pubic bakery and deny service to a gay couple. Public accommodation laws.
    Actually a pubic bakery and a gay couple sound like they'd go together well


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I'm sure the faux liberals who applaud this kind of trampling on the freedom of speech also applaud the campus kangaroo courts which continue to ruin the lives of young men who may very well be innocent of the sexual misconduct they are charged with. Their contempt for due process is consistent with their contempt for the Constitution in general--at least as far as they understand it. Their dim Mother Jones-style "knowledge" of the Constitution of course does not begin to approach that of their idol Mr. Obama. But then his only interest in the Constitution is how best to evade it.

    The only kind of intolerance fake liberals approve of is their own. Being members of a self-anointed moral elite, they reserve the right to do what the hoi polloi may not. (That's why it's fine for President Pinocchio, and the Delaware Dunce, and the Belle of Benghazi, and Pocahontas Warren, and Lois "I Take the Fifth" Lerner and their ilk to lie whenever the hell they want, and yet wrong for non-leftists.)
    Points off for not mentioning Gruber.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

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    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post



    Take a few minutes and read this article: History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

    You might learn something.

    Not every White person in Alabama is a racist, but quite a few of them are. It's their legacy from their ancestors.

    Denying the existence of racism and ignoring it doesn't make it go away.
    So everyone in Alabama today is a racist because their ancestors were, 150 years ago.

    And that has what to do with SAE exactly? Nothing. Zero. SAE was founded in Alabama 150 plus years ago. So what?
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