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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What it says. They and their families are now getting death threats. What other good thing came out of their names being made public?

    I guess I don't think Free Speech is good because it brings those who exercise their rights out in the open. I look at it as being good because it's far better than having no right to speak or think, and having the government tell us what to think or speak.
    I've already responded to that question. Let's review. You said:

    You said you're glad they're in the open. Why? The only thing that came out of them being in the open are death threats.
    To which I responded:

    That's not true - they're being held publicly accountable. And one of them has published a very thoughtful public apology which is probably a necessary first step for him to eventually move on from this incident.
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    Huh? That's exactly what I said earlier.
    I said I was confused, which I still am, and you ask this:

    What it says. They and their families are now getting death threats. What other good thing came out of their names being made public?

    I guess I don't think Free Speech is good because it brings those who exercise their rights out in the open. I look at it as being good because it's far better than having no right to speak or think, and having the government tell us what to think or speak.
    But I responded to that point DIRECTLY earlier. So do you expect a different answer the second time you ask that question?

    As to the rest, them being public has really nothing to do with 'free speech' - it's a different issue, one of being held accountable for speech. I think that's a good thing. If you want to spew racist chants, then having your real name and face attached to that speech is a good thing. I don't see any virtue in e.g. our online communities that give anonymity to racists and haters of any stripe. It encourages those who spew hatred on a daily basis to do more of it because anonymity allows them to do so without suffering any accountability for it. It's just another form of the KKK white sheets that allowed those idiots to hide their faces from the public. In my view, if you want to spew that garbage, show your face and own your hatred. If you're not willing to put your name to it, then keep your trap shut.

    BTW, death threats are always condemnable, and should if remotely credible be prosecuted. But again, most of those making death threats are too chickenshiate to attach their real names to those threats, which is why anonymity isn't actually a good thing in a lot of cases at least. But for those that do, out them, prosecute them, put a heavy price on threatening others. It's how to end that BS - not by allowing them to do so behind some veil of secrecy.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    What does my "lean say"? Sure doesn't say what yours does, "liberal extremist".
    Trying to avoid the point of my post so you can focus on the minutia? Typical of centrists. Wait, can you show us a SINGLE fraternity with as racist a history as SAE? I'm still waiting for you to show us that all organizations engage in the same type of activity. I bet you can't.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I've already responded to that question. Let's review. You said:



    To which I responded:



    You said:



    I said I was confused, which I still am, and you ask this:



    But I responded to that point DIRECTLY earlier. So do you expect a different answer the second time you ask that question?

    As to the rest, them being public has really nothing to do with 'free speech' - it's a different issue, one of being held accountable for speech. I think that's a good thing. If you want to spew racist chants, then having your real name and face attached to that speech is a good thing. I don't see any virtue in e.g. our online communities that give anonymity to racists and haters of any stripe. It encourages those who spew hatred on a daily basis to do more of it because anonymity allows them to do so without suffering any accountability for it. It's just another form of the KKK white sheets that allowed those idiots to hide their faces from the public. In my view, if you want to spew that garbage, show your face and own your hatred. If you're not willing to put your name to it, then keep your trap shut.

    BTW, death threats are always condemnable, and should if remotely credible be prosecuted. But again, most of those making death threats are too chickenshiate to attach their real names to those threats, which is why anonymity isn't actually a good thing in a lot of cases at least. But for those that do, out them, prosecute them, put a heavy price on threatening others. It's how to end that BS - not by allowing them to do so behind some veil of secrecy.
    Okay, so the good you see that came out of it is that they're being held "publicly accountable". Got it. The court of public opinion is now able to try them. Sorry, that isn't something I subscribe to. And I already said people need to own their words. I said it in a post to Zinthaniel. You're repeating what I said.

    Do you believe the people who spew hatred on this board should lose their anonymity, by the way?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Excuse me. I said they were the people who didn't pledge. You just repeated that.

    Is nerdy a bad word now? Is odd a bad word now? You're asking me to defend why I referred to people as nerdy or odd? Are you ****ing kidding me?

    If you want to know the definition of nerdy or the definition of odd, look them up.




    I already know what nerdy and odd mean and I doubt the people who didn't pledge had those characteristics you assigned to them. You don't need to defend, you are already getting quite defensive that I pointed out how you characterized people who didn't pledge.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    I've grown to just get used to the fact that he has a very wild imagination.
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    So, when you add up all of my views and slap 'em on the Political Tests online, I come out as a Centrist.

    I fit more liberal talking points than Conservative, however I'm more Republican than Democrat.

    Now it's your turn :-)
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

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    I already know what nerdy and odd mean and I doubt the people who didn't pledge had those characteristics you assigned to them. You don't need to defend, you are already getting quite defensive that I pointed out how you characterized people who didn't pledge.
    It has nothing to do with the topic, and you used my post to Haymarket in an effort to disparage me while having fun with Hatuey. I'm not stupid.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We know, we know.
    You used his post in another thread to slam him here. Holy ****, how desperate.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You used his post in another thread to slam him here. Holy ****, how desperate.
    There's nothing desperate. I called out his claim that I'm an "extremist liberal" for showing evidence that this fraternity has a racist history. I even challenged him to show another fraternity with a similar history. He couldn't. Then I laughed at him pretending to be a centrist a few months ago and then changing his lean after I called him on it. He focused on the outrage of being called what he himself said he was just a few months ago. Now, as for you, I'm still waiting for that evidence that the black member was talking about SAE national. I asked for the specific sentence where he mentioned SAE national. Or are you going to ignore that too like you did all the other incidents?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It has nothing to do with the topic, and you used my post to Haymarket in an effort to disparage me while having fun with Hatuey. I'm not stupid.
    Hey I just quoted a post you made in this thread, if you went off topic first with your ideas about the kind of people who didn't pledge at your college, I am only guilty of responding to an off topic post.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post


    I already know what nerdy and odd mean and I doubt the people who didn't pledge had those characteristics you assigned to them. You don't need to defend, you are already getting quite defensive that I pointed out how you characterized people who didn't pledge.
    Lol, she doesn't know that not everyone cares about social clubs. If you don't pledge or care, you're nerdy or black balled or... a hockey player? That makes... what is it? Millions of people who go to university and don't join a fraternity nerdy or hockey players.
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