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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No they didn't. What they said is that the frat in question use to have black members. That's entirely irrelevant to an organization promoting racism. That you fail to see this is beyond me. You're desperate.
    Wrong.

    An African-American alumnus of OU’s Sigma Alpha Epsilon chapter is now reacting to what he saw.

    “It’s like getting punched in the stomach,” Jonathon Davis, who was an active SAE member at OU from 1998 to 2002.

    Davis, who now lives in the Denver area, recalls his time in the fraternity fondly.

    “They were diverse—they had diverse socio-economic backgrounds, diverse ethnic and racial backgrounds and you could really feel they were all truly friends and good people,” Davis said, adding that members during his time included Asians and Hispanics. “And that’s why I joined.”

    When Davis saw the video, he was shocked.

    He says that kind of behavior would never have been tolerated by the fraternity when he was a member.

    “We did embrace diversity-and somewhere along the line, everything went off the rails,” Davis said.


    ‘It’s like getting punched in the stomach,’ African-American alumnus of OU’s SAE chapter reacts to racist video | KFOR.com

    While the Oklahoma frat has never had a lot of black members, that didn't matter to James when he joined in 2001. SAE was where he forged lifelong friendships, where he and others grew into men.

    That's what James thinks that his own fraternity brothers would've done, whether he was around or not.

    They understood the importance of stepping up to say: "This isn't right, this isn't what I stand for, this isn't gentlemanly, this isn't even human," he said. "That's what being an SAE is."

    "My pledge class ... wouldn't let that happen," he said. "And I don't know what's happened to (the Oklahoma SAE chapter) since then."


    "That entire house has accepted the culture that accepts that song, those words, that imagery," James said. "So the whole house has to be punished."

    His former frat brothers are different from him, of course. Their skin color wouldn't have stopped them from getting into SAE if the twisted chant reflected reality.

    Still, James feels their pain is real and sincere. Those on this weekend's video may not be his brothers, but those he knew from 2001 to 2005 still are.

    "I don't think that they can fully encompass the pain and betrayal that I feel," James said of his white friends from the fraternity. "But by holding me so close in their life, they know that their brother was hurt."


    Black U. of Oklahoma SAE alumnus: 'They are not my brothers' - CNN.com
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    I have no problem with the University severing its ties to the fraternity; freedom of association.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Did SAE promote racism when you were a brother?
    Absolutely not. We were taught to be "true gentlemen" (our motto). We took it very seriously. We kicked out one brother who had a few racial incidents.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Would that even be allowed, without leftwing outrage?
    Not to mention, irrelevant. A church is a private entity. The University of Oklahoma is a public entity.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    I'm not saying some chapters aren't racist, but if you've lived the fraternity life, unfortunately, MOST chapters of ANY frat have some form of racism. Including black fraternities.
    When all else fails, fall back on the "all people are racist" argument. Hey, can you show us a black fraternity with a history of doing anything similar to the detailed history of SAE's racism? Thanks.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Absolutely not. We were taught to be "true gentlemen" (our motto). We took it very seriously. We kicked out one brother who had a few racial incidents.
    Hatuey insists that SAE promotes racism. SAE national.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Not to mention, irrelevant. A church is a private entity. The University of Oklahoma is a public entity.
    True, we've had threads debating just such situations. Churches who don't allow gay pastors and that sort of thing garner huge ridicule.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    There are racists all over college campuses in the United States. There are black racists, white racists, Asian racists, and so on.
    Yeah and if I saw a video of those racists calling for the group to be hung on a tree, I'd call them out too.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Hatuey insists that SAE promotes racism. SAE national.
    I guess because he feels his 3 or 4 examples justify it.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wrong.
    You're trying REALLY hard to extrapolate his words to involve the entire organization. He's discussing HIS fraternity 14 years ago. He's not discussing SAE in general like you claimed.
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