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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're conflating two different things there. There is nothing wrong with being 'outraged' at racist speech, or sexist speech, or hate speech of any kind. We are all as free to condemn them publicly and loudly for that speech as they are free to utter it. The only issue is whether the 1st Amendment protects someone from the consequences of that. In this case, the only real issue seems to be whether OU (a public university) should/can expel them for the chant, and I looked and didn't find and can't otherwise recall anyone of any ideology actually expressing any kind of strong support for those kids being expelled, and lots of liberals have said they should not be expelled, which is also my own view. It also seems to be commonly accepted among constitutional lawyers, including the liberal ACLU as you pointed out, that OU cannot legally expel them for this incident - that their speech is protected by the 1st Amendment in this case.
    It's all good with me if they don't get kicked out of school. That would be a First Amendment thing inasmuch as a state university is a governmental thing.

    To have their frat disbanded and disowned by the national organization is enough and fitting.


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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I'm going to hold you to that next time Obama says something you detest - to defend his right to say it.



    I think it's just such a slippery slope because I think certain things there is a limit to free speech. Like threatening, I mean you wouldn't stand for someone to stand in a public place and issue death threats against one of your son and blow if off as his right to do it, right? So it can't just work all ways, there has to be some kind of line or limit to what you can freely express, or no?
    It isn't a slippery slope. And death threats or any other kinds of threats aren't protected by the First Amendment.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's all good with me if they don't get kicked out of school. That would be a First Amendment thing inasmuch as a state university is a governmental thing.

    To have their frat disbanded and disowned by the national organization is enough and fitting.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Come to think of it, the Democrat Party was also founded in the South before the Civil War. We should probably think about that a little bit, too.
    Why don't you just admit that you don't know anything about history. And that you have nothing but insults to throw around.

    Interestingly, if you look at what the Democratic Party stood for at it's founding, it's many of the same principles that the Republican Party stands for today - weak Federal government, stricter adherance to the Constitution, States rights. The party that fueled the biggest expansion of the power of the Federal government was the Republican party after the Civil War. At the time and up until about WWI, the Republican Party was in fact far and away the more "progressive" of the two.

    I imagine that if this was 1915, you'd be a Democrat and all the "progressives" you decry and insult would be Republicans.


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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It isn't a slippery slope. And death threats or any other kinds of threats aren't protected by the First Amendment.
    Ah but if you take threats as exception:

    "you can hang them from a tree"


    If you say you can hang someone or a group of individuals from a tree is that or is it not a threat?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Ah but if you take threats as exception:

    "you can hang them from a tree"


    If you say you can hang someone or a group of individuals from a tree is that or is it not a threat?


    No, actually.

    "I, we are going to hang YOU from a tree" is a threat.


    you can hang from a tree, is ambiguous and not a threat no more than you can go **** yourself is about self sodimization.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Ah but if you take threats as exception:

    "you can hang them from a tree"


    If you say you can hang someone or a group of individuals from a tree is that or is it not a threat?
    You asked me about someone issuing death threats against me or my family. That isn't the same thing as someone singing a song. In fact, there are "death threats" made in songs all the time. What about the Eminem song "Kill You". It's filled with "death threats" and other threats. Yet his First Amendment right to express himself using those words were upheld, In fact, his songs have been used in other SCOTUS cases. There is a very distinct difference between a direct threat and expressing oneself through lyrics. Unless someone can prove the jerks on that bus were directing those lyrics to a specific black person, how is it considered a direct threat?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Agreed. That's why we have it. It works all ways, and both ways. I detest it when college students burn the American flag in protest, but I will defend their right to do it. I detest it when an artist protests religion by displaying a crucifix in a jar of urine, but I will defend his right to do it. And so on. You have to take the good with the bad if you really believe we have a right to free speech. You don't get to pick and choose.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

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    Can I burn a flag on YOUR lawn?
    Ask your lawyer.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Ask your lawyer.
    I did. Turns out, no. I don't have the right to use someone else's property as a platform for my free speech. That's why Fox News is not constitutionally obligated to host my "communism is great" show.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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