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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Do you not think that off campus conduct created a hostile on campus environment?



    ****, just tell people you are a republican and the campus becomes hostile!
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    All I can think of is:

    Freedom of Expression should always be encouraged...no matter how disgusting that expression is.
    Agreed. That's why we have it. It works all ways, and both ways. I detest it when college students burn the American flag in protest, but I will defend their right to do it. I detest it when an artist protests religion by displaying a crucifix in a jar of urine, but I will defend his right to do it. And so on. You have to take the good with the bad if you really believe we have a right to free speech. You don't get to pick and choose.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I know what kind of people lived in Alabama before the Civil War and now.
    What do the people who live in Alabama now have to do with this discussion? For that matter, what do the people who lived in Alabama in 1856 have to do with it?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah the national chapter was the quickest to act and shut them down on OU damn near immediately. I'm kind of torn. These kids are stupid and they definitely need to learn a stern lesson but I really don't want to see their lives destroyed for being stupid. I feel that most of us on here are just fortunate that we preceded the internet in our youth so our stupidity didn't get nationalized.

    That being said, I can't believe people are in here defending them and excusing it away as free speech. People's reaction to it is free speech too. I just hope people can temper their reaction to it so that these kids learn their lesson but still have a future where they aren't so backed into a corner by opposition that they resist change out of spite and therefore DON'T learn a lesson.
    There are so many lessons to be learned from this. I always tell my kids to watch what they say/do because anything can be captured on video (and used against them). I also tell them to watch what they say on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and that other site....SnapChat or something? Same thing....once it's in writing, it's captured forever, like a video. And these things can be used against you for the rest of your life.

    As far as the free speech aspect, that's exactly what it is. Not sure why you think it's crazy to defend it? I just posted some examples of things that offend me (and a lot of other people) but the ones who do it/say it have the right to do it/say it, no matter how offensive it may be. I'm actually surprised that more people aren't defending their right to free speech. You can't lose your right just because someone doesn't like it.

    This all makes me think of the angst that happens on here when bakers decline to bake a cake for a gay couple. The same people who are outraged by these stupid kids singing a song they don't like are usually the first ones to go nuts over a baker refusing to engage in commerce with someone he doesn't like. He has to serve him, regardless of what he thinks of the gay lifestyle. Isn't that the argument, because the baker is serving the public? This was a public university that decided to expel 2 students because they didn't like what they said, and people applaud that. That to me is hyper-hypocritical.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Most white kids are listening to vulgar Metal far more than rap and are far more impacted by the lyrics therein.

    you'll be hard pressed to find these images in the album art and marketing of rap -







    This is a genre that is entirely comprised of White musicians and has a devout and dedicated following of white fans that spans the globe by the millions.

    So place whatever filth you see in your own racial community were it actually belongs.

    Thank you very much.




    A note on this, can you post some of the lyrics and what the white kids are doing to mimic what they say?

    lol
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    If this was a group of Muslim students chanting,
    no Americans will ever be one of us,
    praise ISIS, celebrate 9/11


    would some of you still defend that as freedom of speech without repercussions or privacy laws? What would be the difference?


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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Fraternities are ****ing stupid anyways.

    Frat boys are stupid.

    Frat chicks are stupid too.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This all makes me think of the angst that happens on here when bakers decline to bake a cake for a gay couple. The same people who are outraged by these stupid kids singing a song they don't like are usually the first ones to go nuts over a baker refusing to engage in commerce with someone he doesn't like. He has to serve him, regardless of what he thinks of the gay lifestyle. Isn't that the argument, because the baker is serving the public? This was a public university that decided to expel 2 students because they didn't like what they said, and people applaud that. That to me is hyper-hypocritical.
    You're conflating two different things there. There is nothing wrong with being 'outraged' at racist speech, or sexist speech, or hate speech of any kind. We are all as free to condemn them publicly and loudly for that speech as they are free to utter it. The only issue is whether the 1st Amendment protects someone from the consequences of that. In this case, the only real issue seems to be whether OU (a public university) should/can expel them for the chant, and I looked and didn't find and can't otherwise recall anyone of any ideology actually expressing any kind of strong support for those kids being expelled, and lots of liberals have said they should not be expelled, which is also my own view. It also seems to be commonly accepted among constitutional lawyers, including the liberal ACLU as you pointed out, that OU cannot legally expel them for this incident - that their speech is protected by the 1st Amendment in this case.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Agreed. That's why we have it. It works all ways, and both ways. I detest it when college students burn the American flag in protest, but I will defend their right to do it. I detest it when an artist protests religion by displaying a crucifix in a jar of urine, but I will defend his right to do it. And so on. You have to take the good with the bad if you really believe we have a right to free speech. You don't get to pick and choose.

    I'm going to hold you to that next time Obama says something you detest - to defend his right to say it.



    I think it's just such a slippery slope because I think certain things there is a limit to free speech. Like threatening, I mean you wouldn't stand for someone to stand in a public place and issue death threats against one of your son and blow if off as his right to do it, right? So it can't just work all ways, there has to be some kind of line or limit to what you can freely express, or no?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're conflating two different things there. There is nothing wrong with being 'outraged' at racist speech, or sexist speech, or hate speech of any kind. We are all as free to condemn them publicly and loudly for that speech as they are free to utter it. The only issue is whether the 1st Amendment protects someone from the consequences of that. In this case, the only real issue seems to be whether OU (a public university) should/can expel them for the chant, and I looked and didn't find and can't otherwise recall anyone of any ideology actually expressing any kind of strong support for those kids being expelled, and lots of liberals have said they should not be expelled, which is also my own view. It also seems to be commonly accepted among constitutional lawyers, including the liberal ACLU as you pointed out, that OU cannot legally expel them for this incident - that their speech is protected by the 1st Amendment in this case.
    Nobody said people weren't allowed to condemn them publicly and loudly.

    The university is a public space. And a government entity. Because of that, they shouldn't have been expelled IMO (and as you said, you and others feel as I do). If UO is a public space (which it is), they should have to be forced to serve the public (these stupid kids) the same as other public services need to serve the public, no matter how they feel about it or the people.
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