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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Come to think of it, the Democrat Party was also founded in the South before the Civil War. We should probably think about that a little bit, too.
    Actually, there is, to my knowledge, no such thing as the "Democrat" Party, but maybe some other party was founded in the South before the civil war....

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    If this was a group of Muslim students chanting,
    no Americans will ever be one of us,
    praise ISIS, celebrate 9/11


    would some of you still defend that as freedom of speech without repercussions or privacy laws? What would be the difference?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    If this was a group of Muslim students chanting,
    no Americans will ever be one of us,
    praise ISIS, celebrate 9/11


    would some of you still defend that as freedom of speech without repercussions or privacy laws? What would be the difference?
    I would. The difference would be that they'd go to Cuba if their antics were considered more than drunken revelry. While these frat boys are too cowardly to actually go and get them a rope, this is known, so it falls under the PC police's jurisdiction.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Agreed. It wasn't national. And the song has probably been passed down through the years by the brothers.
    Yeah the national chapter was the quickest to act and shut them down on OU damn near immediately. I'm kind of torn. These kids are stupid and they definitely need to learn a stern lesson but I really don't want to see their lives destroyed for being stupid. I feel that most of us on here are just fortunate that we preceded the internet in our youth so our stupidity didn't get nationalized.

    That being said, I can't believe people are in here defending them and excusing it away as free speech. People's reaction to it is free speech too. I just hope people can temper their reaction to it so that these kids learn their lesson but still have a future where they aren't so backed into a corner by opposition that they resist change out of spite and therefore DON'T learn a lesson.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    nder the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. Okla. Stat. tit. 176.2.

    I would argue they do have a reasonable expectation of privacy in this regard.

    Again, this is a fraternity which is secretive by its very nature. All the persons present were members, or guests of members, and it can easily be understood that such language and wording wouldn't be expressed publicly -- Which is where the reasonable expectation of privacy would come into play.

    But thanks for finding the law, I didn't know, as my OP stated....
    Expectation of privacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Examples of places where a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy are a person's residence or hotel room[1] and public places which have been specifically provided by businesses or the public sector in order to ensure privacy, such as public restrooms, private portions of jailhouses,[2] or a phone booth.[3]
    In general, one cannot have a reasonable expectation of privacy in things held out to the public. A well-known example is that there are no privacy rights in garbage left for collection in a public place.[2] Other examples include: pen registers that record the numbers dialed from particular telephones;[4] conversations with others, though there could be a Sixth Amendment violation if the police send an individual to question a defendant who has already been formally charged
    The bus they were in was not specifically provided to ensure privacy; it was provided to transport them.

    And OK is a one-party consent state
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    That being said, I can't believe people are in here defending them and excusing it away as free speech. People's reaction to it is free speech too.
    I agree with most of your post but this part here is a sticking point.

    I would think that it should be unbelievable that someone doesn't "defend them".

    Because you don't like what they say, find it personally repulsive to varying degrees -- from feigned to legitimate outrage -- should not in any way prohibit you from acknowledging that they have a right to their thoughts and opinions no matter how egregious they are or how vulgar they are in their representation.

    Calypso Louie aka Louis Farrakhan has said many disparaging things about the white race, they disgust many but he's allowed to say them. Why is this different?

    Who was it -- Jesse Jackson and his "hymie-town" comment? Still gets airtime. Any news show would love to put him on. But all of the sudden a couple of privileged white kids get caught on tape acting like privileged white kids (privileged being the accusers take on them not necessarily my own) and the world's on fire.

    Gimme a friggin break...
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah the national chapter was the quickest to act and shut them down on OU damn near immediately. I'm kind of torn. These kids are stupid and they definitely need to learn a stern lesson but I really don't want to see their lives destroyed for being stupid. I feel that most of us on here are just fortunate that we preceded the internet in our youth so our stupidity didn't get nationalized.
    Yes, no doubt - very fortunate indeed. You'd like to think that people could adjust, be more cautious, and refrain from such stupidity, understanding that there's always a chance that what they say could be immortalized. Sort of a "God is always watching" mentality only in this case God follows you around everywhere and tells anyone who's curious what you've been up to.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, hot damn.. I think we finally found the smoking gun...
    obviously this entire fraternity is racist because it was founded in Alabama before the civil war.


    well done man, we've all been waiting on actual evidence for these wild claims flying around here... and now we have it.


    oy vey


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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If you say so.




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    come on man.. you know damned well that was a poor argument...

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    come on man.. you know damned well that was a poor argument..
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    I know what kind of people lived in Alabama before the Civil War and now.

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