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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Members of what? University students aren't "members".
    Members of the fraternity. Sweet baby jesus. Are you looking for anything to fight about?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Members of the fraternity. Sweet baby jesus. Are you looking for anything to fight about?
    His post that you quoted:

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I guarantee Univ officials knew about this stuff for years and did nothing about it, second as a taxpayer funded entity if they allow frats to be affiliated they need to allow all points of view without bias amongst them
    Univ officials. Do you understand what the "Univ" is? It's the "University". And the "fraternity" isn't a taxpayer funded entity.

    You didn't even read his post, you just went off agreeing with it. The two of you weren't talking about the same thing.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I will engage with anyone I please, and I stand by everything I said about the so-called liberals I have seen. Nothing I wrote addressed you in particular. Maybe you should stop trying to tell other posters what they should say.
    The point was you didn't engage with anyone. You invented the position of unnamed "liberals" and then stridently attacked "liberals" for positions you invented and attributed to them, but that no one that I can find on this thread actually expressed. If a person did express it, it's still nonsense to attribute what are the opinions of ONE person to this apparently homogeneous group of "liberals" who apparently in your view ALL have the same opinion of when and where the 1st Amendment applies or not.

    Maybe it makes you feel better to trash "liberals", but it's intellectually lazy BS. Sorry you got called out for it.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    His post that you quoted:

    Univ officials. Do you understand what the "Univ" is? It's the "University". And the "fraternity" isn't a taxpayer funded entity.
    Good grief, reading comprehension would REALLY help you out here. I said that they, university officials, knew. I then added that this acceptable behavior for the members. At this point in time, I shouldn't have to explain that the members refers to the frat members. Again, your nitpicking and looking for something to desperately grasp on to. Face it 3b, your comparisons were weak and your defence of this organization is based on nothing more than some meaningless bond. The reality is that this organization has various chapters in states hundreds of miles apart, that engage in the same activities. How is this possible? One answer is that they live in racist places. It's plausible, but simplistic. The other is that these chapters and the organization were always embracing of racist views and now there's video evidence. That is perfectly in line with my claim that they embrace these views through channels not visible to the public.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good grief, reading comprehension would REALLY help you out here. I said that they, university officials, knew. I then added that this acceptable behavior for the members. At this point in time, I shouldn't have to explain that the members refers to the frat members. Again, your nitpicking and looking for something to desperately grasp on to. Face it 3b, your comparisons were weak and your defence of this organization is based on nothing more than some meaningless bond. The reality is that this organization has various chapters in states hundreds of miles apart, that engage in the same activities. How is this possible? One answer is that they live in racist places. It's plausible, but simplistic. The other is that these chapters and the organization were always embracing of racist views and now there's video evidence. That is perfectly in line with my claim that they embrace these views through channels not visible to the public.
    What is a "member" of the university"exactly? And why did you just say you were talking about the fraternity and not the university?

    The university and the national fraternity are NOT the same entity. Do you seriously not know this?

    He wasn't talking about the national fraternity. He was talking about the university.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What is a "member of the university" exactly? And why did you just say you were talking about the fraternity and not the university?
    Good grief, it is again, I bolded it and underlined it so you wouldn't miss it:

    I said that they, university officials, knew. I then added that this acceptable behavior for the members. At this point in time, I shouldn't have to explain that the members refers to the frat members.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good grief, it is again, I bolded it and underlined it so you wouldn't miss it:
    So what you're saying now is that the university deemed racist behavior acceptable for SAE fraternity members. Your proof of this is....what?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What if the members of a non-white fraternity had thrown a party at which they played rap music containing obscene slurs against whites, along with the wholesome and delightful calls for killing police and raping women that are common in that music? Should the university discipline them too? I know how much soi-disant liberals detest the First Amendment, but some of us had imagined that people did not waive their freedom of speech by enrolling in a state university.

    It's ironic what "liberal" has come to mean--nasty, intolerant, little prigs. Forty years ago, Jewish lawyers who were real liberals fought hard for the right of a bunch of Nazi goofballs to parade, in full regalia, through a town they picked exactly because many of its residents were Jewish survivors of Nazi concentration camps.
    You've been reduced to making up fictional scenarios to rationalize your bigotries
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    What is Oklahoma's eavesdropping laws? The phone owner who recorded this -- if applicable -- should be charged.

    Is this not a private organization? Are they not allowed the freedom of expression and don't its members (of a fraternal organization known for its secrecy) have a certain expectation to privacy?

    Or have people lost their marbles again and decided to sacrifice rights and laws on the alter of political correctness?
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So what you're saying now is that the university deemed racist behavior acceptable for SAE fraternity members. Your proof of this is....what?
    No, that's you trying out your 2nd strawman argument. What I have stated is that the university ignored it even though they without a doubt knew about it. This didn't start in a vacuum. There had to have been rumors, water cooler conversations, late night coffee and cigarette discussions where the school officials touched on the topic in some manner. However, they ignored it as long as it wasn't out in the open and they had no concrete evidence. That is entirely separate from the obvious fact that this was acceptable behavior amongst the fraternity's members. Have you even watched the video?
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