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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    What if the members of a non-white fraternity had thrown a party at which they played rap music containing obscene slurs against whites, along with the wholesome and delightful calls for killing police and raping women that are common in that music? Should the university discipline them too? I know how much soi-disant liberals detest the First Amendment, but some of us had imagined that people did not waive their freedom of speech by enrolling in a state university.

    It's ironic what "liberal" has come to mean--nasty, intolerant, little prigs. Forty years ago, Jewish lawyers who were real liberals fought hard for the right of a bunch of Nazi goofballs to parade, in full regalia, through a town they picked exactly because many of its residents were Jewish survivors of Nazi concentration camps.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And I did, through the numerous examples of chapters of the same organization getting caught doing the same thing. You ignoring those instances because it doesn't fit your greek life memories doesn't change the obvious.
    No, Hatuey, you did not. Some yahoos being racist in their local chapter or even 5 or 10 or 27 other chapters is not evidence that SAE the national fraternity promotes racism. Please stop with the obtuse posts. You know exactly what I mean.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    14 examples of different fraternities and sororities doing the same thing. Not a consistent pattern throughout the years.
    it's the largest frat out there... and it's been around since the 1800's... and you provided what.. 4 or 5 incidents?

    the claim that the whole fraternity is racist is incredibly weak... the evidence just doesn't show it.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's the largest frat out there... and it's been around since the 1800's... and you provided what.. 4 or 5 incidents?
    The overwhelming majority of which have taken place in the last few years. Then again, let's be realistic, it's not as if such chants would have made front page news in any newspaper before the 1970s.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Why don't you act like a racist at work today and see how that goes. I am assuming there would be no punishment of any kind, right?
    Since I work for myself...no. I don't 'act' like a racist ever.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The overwhelming majority of which have taken place in the last few years. Then again, let's be realistic, it's not as if such chants would have made front page news in any newspaper before the 1970s.
    the "vast majority" being 3 incidents

    wel, i know as well as anyone that you won't be swayed .. so.. whatever... keep believing it's a racist fraternity... it matters not.

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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, Hatuey, you did not. Some yahoos being racist in their local chapter or even 5 or 10 or 27 other chapters is not evidence that SAE the national fraternity promotes racism.
    Of course it is. It shows a consistent pattern amongst the same group of people. Please show me any other fraternity that has multiple instances of the SAME incident happening across 5-6 states and different chapters? You can't. You want to ignore the obvious, that's your problem.

    As for your catholic comparison, it is absurd. These situations have occurred when members of the same organization join together. It's not accidental that they happen to be SAE. They are SAE engaging in an activity that other members have acknowledged happened when they were around 10 years ago. Get serious.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the "vast majority" being 3 incidents
    Reading through the thread would help your contribution to this thread seem less asinine.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Of course it is. It shows a consistent pattern amongst the same group of people. Please show me any other fraternity that has multiple instances of the SAME incident happening across 5-6 states and different chapters? You can't. You want to ignore the obvious, that's your problem.

    As for your catholic comparison, it is absurd. These situations have occurred when members of the same organization join together. It's not accidental that they happen to be SAE. They are SAE engaging in an activity that other members have acknowledged happened when they were around 10 years ago. Get serious.
    In other words, you're ignoring the comparisons because you know they were right.
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    Re: Univ. of Oklahoma severs ties with frat after racist chant

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm all for SAE removing their charter. National organizations have been removing the charters of local chapters of fraternities and sororities for years for many reasons.

    When you say or imply(?) that racism is a part of this fraternity, which fraternity are you talking about...the national SAE organiztion, or the University of Oklahoma chapter?
    I doubt it was national. Probably just that chapter. What gets me the most is you know damn well that they didn't just make that song up right there on the fly. It had to be around for some time. That's the freaky thing for me.
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