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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I don't think so. The person you are referring to was the Ambassador to Kenya and he wasn't fired. He resigned shortly before the release of an audit report essentially calling him out for being worthless, seemingly spending most of his time cooling his heels on the public dime, insubordination, and a total lack of confidence and respect (from his own staff) that he could do the job.
    True or false-use of private email was cited as a reason for firing him?
    Clinton benefitted from email double-standard, says former US ambassador | US news | The Guardian

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I don't think so. The person you are referring to was the Ambassador to Kenya and he wasn't fired. He resigned shortly before the release of an audit report essentially calling him out for being worthless, seemingly spending most of his time cooling his heels on the public dime, insubordination, and a total lack of confidence and respect (from his own staff) that he could do the job.
    You seem to be telling just one side of the story. And the man was obviously being smeared, just as is anyone who gets in the Clinton's way. Clinton benefitted from email double-standard, says former US ambassador | US news | The Guardian

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

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    True or false-use of private email was cited as a reason for firing him?
    Clinton benefitted from email double-standard, says former US ambassador | US news | The Guardian
    False for two reasons: 1. He wasn't fired. He submitted his resignation of his own volition. 2. 99.9% of the audit report covered what I described.

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    False for two reasons: 1. He wasn't fired. He submitted his resignation of his own volition. 2. 99.9% of the audit report covered what I described.
    In politics being asked to resign is the same as being fired. And again, his failure to adhere to email standards for using his private email was cited.

    Why keep dancing around the truth?

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    In politics being asked to resign is the same as being fired. And again, his failure to adhere to email standards for using his private email was cited. Why keep dancing around the truth?
    i'm not sure you know or understand the facts. It was a standard internal audit report and he resigned after seeing a draft. No surprise given its contents:

    "The Ambassador does not read classified front channel messages and has not established a system to have his staff screen incoming cables relevant to Kenya and U.S. interests in the region."

    "The Ambassador has lost the respect and confidence of the staff to lead the mission. Of more than 80 chiefs of mission inspected in recent cycles, the Ambassador ranked last for interpersonal relations, next to last on both managerial skill and attention to morale, and third from last in his overall scores from surveys of mission members. The inspectors found no reason to question these assessments; the Ambassador's leadership to date has been divisive and ineffective."

    "The respective responsibilities of Embassy Nairobi and the Somalia Unit are clear in principle, but in practice the Ambassador has set a tone that discourages collaboration between the embassy and the Somalia Unit."

    "The Ambassador's efforts to develop and focus the mission's work around what he calls "mission essential tasks" have consumed considerable staff time and produced documents of unclear status and almost no value to the Department in approving priorities and assigning resources. His efforts have also created confusion about the relevance of the embassy's annual Mission Resource Request (MRR). The Office of Inspector General (OIG) team agreed with embassy staff that the mission essential task process added no real value to the management of the embassy."

    "The Ambassador has damaged the cohesion of Embassy Nairobi's country team by underscoring differences between offices working directly with Kenya and those with regional responsibilities. Country team members, particularly those from other agencies, relied on the recently departed deputy chief of mission to maintain a sense of common purpose at Embassy Nairobi. Unless corrected there is a risk that the country team will become dysfunctional. The Ambassador needs to broaden his understanding of why various agencies are part of his mission, cease avoiding contact with them, and work with the assistance of a senior Department of State (Department) official and the next deputy chief of mission to restore country team harmony."

    "The Ambassador's greatest weakness is his reluctance to accept clear-cut U.S. Government decisions. He made clear his disagreement with Washington policy decisions and directives concerning the safe-havening in Nairobi of families of Department employees who volunteered to serve in extreme hardship posts; the creation of a freestanding Somalia Unit; and the nonuse of commercial email for official government business, including Sensitive But Unclassified information. Notwithstanding his talk about the importance of mission staff doing the right thing, the Ambassador by deed or word has encouraged it to do the opposite."

    etc.

    The report wasn't written to outline the reasons for "firing" him; it was a standard audit report/assessment. He chose to resign after seeing a draft of the report as was widely reported at the time. There were far more issues than his e-mail account, which was mentioned once in a rather extensive list of egregious problems with his occupation of that post. You'd have to be pretty obtuse to portray this as a matter of e-mails. The man was exposed by the Inspector General as an incompetent malcontent who didn't play well with others and wouldn't do his job. Its pretty bad when you can't even handle a cushy post like Kenya and if he hadn't resigned then he should have been fired for those reasons.
    Last edited by Napoleon; 03-11-15 at 03:37 AM.

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    i'm not sure you know or understand the facts. It was a standard internal audit report and he resigned after seeing a draft. No surprise given its contents:

    "The Ambassador does not read classified front channel messages and has not established a system to have his staff screen incoming cables relevant to Kenya and U.S. interests in the region."

    "The Ambassador has lost the respect and confidence of the staff to lead the mission. Of more than 80 chiefs of mission inspected in recent cycles, the Ambassador ranked last for interpersonal relations, next to last on both managerial skill and attention to morale, and third from last in his overall scores from surveys of mission members. The inspectors found no reason to question these assessments; the Ambassador's leadership to date has been divisive and ineffective."

    "The respective responsibilities of Embassy Nairobi and the Somalia Unit are clear in principle, but in practice the Ambassador has set a tone that discourages collaboration between the embassy and the Somalia Unit."

    "The Ambassador's efforts to develop and focus the mission's work around what he calls "mission essential tasks" have consumed considerable staff time and produced documents of unclear status and almost no value to the Department in approving priorities and assigning resources. His efforts have also created confusion about the relevance of the embassy's annual Mission Resource Request (MRR). The Office of Inspector General (OIG) team agreed with embassy staff that the mission essential task process added no real value to the management of the embassy."

    "The Ambassador has damaged the cohesion of Embassy Nairobi's country team by underscoring differences between offices working directly with Kenya and those with regional responsibilities. Country team members, particularly those from other agencies, relied on the recently departed deputy chief of mission to maintain a sense of common purpose at Embassy Nairobi. Unless corrected there is a risk that the country team will become dysfunctional. The Ambassador needs to broaden his understanding of why various agencies are part of his mission, cease avoiding contact with them, and work with the assistance of a senior Department of State (Department) official and the next deputy chief of mission to restore country team harmony."

    "The Ambassador's greatest weakness is his reluctance to accept clear-cut U.S. Government decisions. He made clear his disagreement with Washington policy decisions and directives concerning the safe-havening in Nairobi of families of Department employees who volunteered to serve in extreme hardship posts; the creation of a freestanding Somalia Unit; and the nonuse of commercial email for official government business, including Sensitive But Unclassified information. Notwithstanding his talk about the importance of mission staff doing the right thing, the Ambassador by deed or word has encouraged it to do the opposite."

    etc.

    The report wasn't written to outline the reasons for "firing" him; it was a standard audit report/assessment. He chose to resign after seeing a draft of the report as was widely reported at the time. There were far more issues than his e-mail account, which was mentioned once in a rather extensive list of egregious problems with his occupation of that post. You'd have to be pretty obtuse to portray this as a matter of e-mails. The man was exposed by the Inspector General as an incompetent malcontent who didn't play well with others and wouldn't do his job. Its pretty bad when you can't even handle a cushy post like Kenya and if he hadn't resigned then he should have been fired for those reasons.
    She was dinging him for doing the SAME thing she was doing. Hypocrisy, no matter how you spin it.

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    She was dinging him for doing the SAME thing she was doing. Hypocrisy, no matter how you spin it.
    She didn't write the report, it was an independent review by the IG and if you want to talk hypocrisy then we can talk about why Hillary Clinton is the only cabinet official being criticized. I will not express selective outrage and pluck 1 person from a crowd of cabinet officials spanning decades who have used private e-mail accounts to conduct official business. If I were to do so then I certainly would not pick a Secretary of State to express concerns about e-mails and e-mail accounts being compromised. I would pick every Secretary of Defense since e-mail became available and every Secretary of Homeland Security since that department was formed. Aside from the obvious conservative obsession with trying (and failing) to string Hillary up like a pińata, it seems ridiculous and unjustifiable that you guys don't care that Secretaries of Defense and Homeland Security have always done this and during wartime but seem to think Hillary's use of a private e-mail account is somehow more egregious than running a war and supposedly safeguarding national security through Yahoo! Mail or whatever they used.
    Last edited by Napoleon; 03-11-15 at 04:37 AM.

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    She didn't write the report, it was an independent review by the IG and if you want to talk hypocrisy then we can talk about why Hillary Clinton is the only cabinet official being criticized. I will not express selective outrage and pluck 1 person from a crowd of cabinet officials spanning decades who have used private e-mail accounts to conduct official business. If I were to do so then I certainly would not pick a Secretary of State to express concerns about e-mails and e-mail accounts being compromised. I would pick every Secretary of Defense since e-mail became available and every Secretary of Homeland Security since that department was formed. Aside from the obvious conservative obsession with trying (and failing) to string Hillary up like a pińata, it seems ridiculous and unjustifiable that you guys don't care that Secretaries of Defense and Homeland Security have always done this and during wartime but seem to think Hillary's use of a private e-mail account is somehow more egregious than running a war and supposedly safeguarding national security through Yahoo! Mail or whatever they used.
    Scrutinize every cabinet member, if you find a violation of the law prosecute. We only found out about this because of the Benghazi committee.
    As every layer of this onion is peeled back, more corruption and incompetence is found.

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

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    Scrutinize every cabinet member, if you find a violation of the law prosecute.
    So when are you putting all living former Secretaries of Defense, State, Treasury, Interior, HHS, etc. from the availability of e-mail all the way up to Hillary plus every Secretary of Homeland Security on trial? Since you seem to think the law, i.e. the Federal Records Act was broken.

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    Re: Obama emailed Clinton at private address, didn’t know ‘details’ of account

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    So when are you putting all living former Secretaries of Defense, State, Treasury, Interior, HHS, etc. from the availability of e-mail all the way up to Hillary plus every Secretary of Homeland Security on trial? Since you seem to think the law, i.e. the Federal Records Act was broken.
    No thats absurd. Im holding Hillary accountable for the rules of her own department when she was in.

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