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    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

    Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?

    Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    A group of 47 Republican senators has written an open letter to Iran's leaders warning them that any nuclear deal they sign with President Barack Obama's administration won’t last after Obama leaves office.

    Organized by freshman Senator Tom Cotton and signed by the chamber's entire party leadership as well as potential 2016 presidential contenders Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, the letter is meant not just to discourage the Iranian regime from signing a deal but also to pressure the White House into giving Congress some authority over the process.
    Why should non-fundamentalist Christians and those of other beliefs think they would ever have a place in this nation if the Christian right, those preaching the "End Times are nigh", takes power?

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

    Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?



    Why should non-fundamentalist Christians and those of other beliefs think they would ever have a place in this nation if the Christian right, those preaching the "End Times are nigh", takes power?

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    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base?
    Yes, absolutely. What other possible motivation could there be to try to scuttle negotiations to try to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear power? Surely they don't want a nuclear armed Iran, no, what they want is to make it look as if Obama and the Democrats want Iran to get nukes by making it more likely that they do. In their upside down world, it would be a good thing for Iran to build a bomb, if only they could blame that bomb on the Democrats.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    here is the text of that letter signed by 47 (of 54) republican senators:
    An Open Letter to the Leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran:

    It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution‹the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices‹which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

    First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

    Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics.

    For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then — perhaps decades.

    What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

    We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.

    Sincerely,

    Senator Tom Cotton, R-AR
    Senator Orrin Hatch, R-UT
    Senator Charles Grassley, R-IA
    Senator Mitch McConnell, R-KY
    Senator Richard Shelby, R-AL
    Senator John McCain, R-AZ
    Senator James Inhofe, R-OK
    Senator Pat Roberts, R-KS
    Senator Jeff Sessions, R-AL
    Senator Michael Enzi, R-WY
    Senator Michael Crapo, R-ID
    Senator Lindsey Graham, R-SC
    Senator John Cornyn, R-TX
    Senator Richard Burr, R-NC
    Senator John Thune, R-SD
    Senator Johnny Isakson, R-GA
    Senator David Vitter, R-LA
    Senator John A. Barrasso, R-WY
    Senator Roger Wicker, R-MS
    Senator Jim Risch, R-ID
    Senator Mark Kirk, R-IL
    Senator Roy Blunt, R-MO
    Senator Jerry Moran, R-KS
    Senator Rob Portman, R-OH
    Senator John Boozman, R-AR
    Senator Pat Toomey, R-PA
    Senator John Hoeven, R-ND
    Senator Marco Rubio, R-FL
    Senator Ron Johnson, R-WI
    Senator Rand Paul, R-KY
    Senator Mike Lee, R-UT
    Senator Kelly Ayotte, R-NH
    Senator Dean Heller, R-NV
    Senator Tim Scott, R-SC
    Senator Ted Cruz, R-TX
    Senator Deb Fischer, R-NE
    Senator Shelley Moore Capito, R-WV
    Senator Bill Cassidy, R-LA
    Senator Cory Gardner, R-CO
    Senator James Lankford, R-OK
    Senator Steve Daines, R-MT
    Senator Mike Rounds, R-SD
    Senator David Perdue, R-GA
    Senator Thom Tillis, R-NC
    Senator Joni Ernst, R-IA
    Senator Ben Sasse, R-NE
    Senator Dan Sullivan, R-AK
    Text of GOP Senators’ Letter to Iran’s Leaders on Nuclear Talks - Washington Wire - WSJ
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

    Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?



    Why should non-fundamentalist Christians and those of other beliefs think they would ever have a place in this nation if the Christian right, those preaching the "End Times are nigh", takes power?

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    To tell you the truth and not a Republican myself, I have lost a lot of faith in Obama's judgement. I also do not trust him and would be very certain that checking out any deal this administration cuts with Iran is extremely important. Letting Iran know that they stalled too long and it is now too late for a deal with the present administration without control by the Senate is out of the question. It will need confirmation like any treaty would and that that will most likely be after the man is gone. That is only fair. Or would you like the Senate to lie about it?

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Of course, the Republicans just want to kiss Mr. Netanyahu's ring, and the benevolent government in Tehran seeks nuclear armament for peaceful purposes. What's more peaceful than a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv?

    The Iranian government has stated, numerous times, that the destruction of the Jewish State is one of their objectives. I understand that some may consider themselves non-interventionist, but allowing a state which advocates the total annihilation of another state access to weapons of mass destruction is a, quite frankly, stupid move. Why should we trust the Iranian government, or our government to solve this borderline crisis behind closed doors?

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    This is kind of funny juxtaposed up against the uproar the left spewed about Netanyahu speaking before Congress. The White House and Democrats were beside themselves when Congress had the temerity to invite Netanyahu without the President's blessing because it went against all precedent and normal protocol. Now that the Senate, an equal party with the House to the ratification of any treaty agreement with Iran, has the temerity to inform Iran's leadership about the machinations of your constitutional republic, the White House and Democrats are apoplectic once again.

    The White House and Democrats would not be satisfied unless the President has complete control and the fealty of his subjects, to hell with the form of government that has served your country well for over 200 years.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Just when you (I) thought that the Netanyahu speech was an egregiously dangerous and unprecedented breach of protocol, there comes news that the GOP extremists are now practicing "diplomacy" from the senate and congress.

    So much for the old successful approach of "Politics ends at the water's edge".

    Disgraceful and dangerous practices and precedents.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.
    Religious hatred.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Michele Jacques View Post
    Of course, the Republicans just want to kiss Mr. Netanyahu's ring, and the benevolent government in Tehran seeks nuclear armament for peaceful purposes. What's more peaceful than a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv?

    The Iranian government has stated, numerous times, that the destruction of the Jewish State is one of their objectives. I understand that some may consider themselves non-interventionist, but allowing a state which advocates the total annihilation of another state access to weapons of mass destruction is a, quite frankly, stupid move. Why should we trust the Iranian government, or our government to solve this borderline crisis behind closed doors?
    in response, i must question why we should trust an israeli government that oppresses the Palestinian people, and takes their land as its own
    an israeli government which refuses to sign and abide by the Nuclear Nonproliferation Agreement, an agreement executed and adhered to by the iranians
    an israeli government which will launch unprovoked military actions against other sovereign states ... something iran has not done in any of our lifetimes
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    This is nothing more than fulfilling a campaign promise about negotiations without preconditions. The guy doesn't seem to consider anything outside his ideology or campaigning.
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