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Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

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Ockham said:
See this is why I also laugh hysterically at those at the far right who claim Obama is the antichrist. Your posts however show the far left view and it's always good for a chuckle. Thanks!
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No. Im specifically giving you the non-US view. In fact, I stated it a few times.

The fact you can't comprehend that a whole lot of people consider the U.S. as exporting terror in Iraq, among them people with family and friends that have been killed, displaced, or had their lives otherwise ruined as a direct result of the pointless US invasion is YOUR problem, not anyone else's.
 
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Somerville said:
This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING
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What you just described there is the primary problem this foreign policy nightmare POTUS has created. He's supposed to keep congress apprised of the negotiations. You do realize, that barring some sort of idiot game the POTUS is playing, that congress is the one to decide on the ratification of any treaty.
 
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Threegoofs said:
No. Im specifically giving you the non-US view. In fact, I stated it a few times.

The fact you can't comprehend that a whole lot of people consider the U.S. as exporting terror in Iraq, among them people with family and friends that have been killed, displaced, or had their lives otherwise ruined as a direct result of the pointless US invasion is YOUR problem, not anyone else's.
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Why would you think I'd be interested in a non-US view?
 
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Threegoofs said:
Well, some would equate the GOP as being the biggest supplier of worldwide terrorism.

I realize that's difficult for you to hear, and even more challenging for you to comprehend, but it's not a fringe view elsewhere in the world.

For an example, see here:

https://www.iraqbodycount.org
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What bull****!

You post a chart from an unknown source counting the violent deaths in Iraq "including combatants" and claim somehow that "Republicans" are involved?

If I am not mistaken, Obama "ended" the war in Iraq back there in 2011. So for four years now people "including civilians" have been dying at a rate of about 120 per day when there were NO US troops on the ground or in the air....

and the REPUBLICANS are responsible?


:doh
 
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Travis007 said:
please for our enjoyment tell us how most electricity is generated and from what, to power electric "green" cars....
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Hey! Isn't it that nuclear plant . . . err . . down the road? Nope. That got protested and Env. Impact studied to death.
Hey! Isn't it that wind farm . . err . . up on the ridge? Nope. That's too expensive to operate
Hey! Isn't it that hydrodam . . err . . down in the valley? Nope. That got cancelled.
Hey! Isn't it the solar farm . . err . . . in the desert? Nope. That's not generating enough electricity.

It's the coal plant stupid!

Yeah, the one that Obama' seen fit onto which to hoist yet more expensive EPA regulations, so that we all can less afford electricity.
Especially so now, that what?? Everyone is supposed to buy and drive electric cars?

And these people call themselves the enlightened elitists?

Hey guys, I think you'd better go back and re-think this one from front to back and all the parts that are along side.
It's far more complex than what you've been told to repeat.
 
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clownboy said:
What you just described there is the primary problem this foreign policy nightmare POTUS has created. He's supposed to keep congress apprised of the negotiations. You do realize, that barring some sort of idiot game the POTUS is playing, that congress is the one to decide on the ratification of any treaty.
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Obviously you haven't been following this thread. The US is only one of the seven participants, so there are probably requests by the others that delicate negotiations be kept secret until they are closer to finding mutually agreeable points.

Then there is the "ratification" thing which has already been criticised by at least one conservative scholar. Error in Senators' letter to the leaders of Iran

Then just for a bit of humour, well it is funny for some of us as it highlights the ongoing hypocrisy of the GOP. Cheney: Congress Must Not Interfere With President's Iran Policy
 
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Ockham said:
Why would you think I'd be interested in a non-US view?
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That's true. You're very one dimensional.

Feel free to ignore anything that doesn't fit into your predetermined worldview.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Let's stick to the topic and leave out the baiting and flaming, eh?
 
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Fearandloathing said:
What bull****!

You post a chart from an unknown source counting the violent deaths in Iraq "including combatants" and claim somehow that "Republicans" are involved?

If I am not mistaken, Obama "ended" the war in Iraq back there in 2011. So for four years now people "including civilians" have been dying at a rate of about 120 per day when there were NO US troops on the ground or in the air....

and the REPUBLICANS are responsible?


:doh
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LOL.

It's not an unknown source.

The methodology is pretty clear,
 
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and another itsy-bitsy problem for the GOP. Senate historian can't find any similar letter in the 200 year history of the Senate

Precedent for GOP’s Iran letter hard to find, historians say

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Senate Historian’s Office has so far been unable to find another example in the chamber’s history where one political party openly tried to deal with a foreign power against a presidential policy, as Republicans have attempted in their open letter to Iran this week

The letter sent by 47 Republican senators sets out to instruct Iranian leaders about how the U.S. Constitution works. They wrote that the deal currently being negotiated with their government by the U.S. and western allies, to limit Iran’s nuclear expansion could be undone by Congress.

“We haven’t found a precedent,” said Senate Historian Donald Ritchie. “That doesn’t mean there isn’t a precedent. After 200 years, it’s hard to find anything that unprecedented.”
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Threegoofs said:
I guess you'd rather spend money on military defense of oil supplies. That way you can pretend it's about freedom and not oil and profits.
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Hey, how about you be the first to lead a petroleum free existence?

Besides, we here in the US are sitting on one of the largest reserves around, the Bakken Shale deposits.

The US could be energy independent of the Middle East by just pumping that, given the needed federal drilling permits (oh wait, Obama's against that isn't he? - record lows issued this administration), and a clean safe way to move it to the refineries (oh wait, Obama's against that too - vetoed Keystone-XL).

So what's the deal here? It's like Obama wants to back the nation into an impossible corner with no way out, as far as energy is concerned.

On one hand he says he wants the US to become energy independent, but then he's unwilling to issue the drilling permits to make it happen.
He says he wants a vibrant growing economy, with an active manufacturing sector, but then he increases the cost for that electricity.

It's kinda schizophrenic.
 
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Threegoofs said:
That's true. You're very one dimensional.

Feel free to ignore anything that doesn't fit into your predetermined worldview.
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can you please give us what ISIS is "thinking and their view" since you seem to be a wealth of amazing angles..
 
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eohrnberger said:
Hey, how about you be the first to lead a petroleum free existence?

Besides, we here in the US are sitting on one of the largest reserves around, the Bakken Shale deposits.

The US could be energy independent of the Middle East by just pumping that, given the needed federal drilling permits (oh wait, Obama's against that isn't he? - record lows issued this administration), and a clean safe way to move it to the refineries (oh wait, Obama's against that too - vetoed Keystone-XL).

So what's the deal here? It's like Obama wants to back the nation into an impossible corner with no way out, as far as energy is concerned.

On one hand he says he wants the US to become energy independent, but then he's unwilling to issue the drilling permits to make it happen.
He says he wants a vibrant growing economy, with an active manufacturing sector, but then he increases the cost for that electricity.

It's kinda schizophrenic.
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No, we can't be energy independent from that, if you want to be a part of the free market. It costs 5x as much to get that oil as it does to get it from the Middle East.
 
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Threegoofs said:
No, we can't be energy independent from that, if you want to be a part of the free market. It costs 5x as much to get that oil as it does to get it from the Middle East.
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we can be energy independent if Obama would stop hating us..

why is Obama not allowing for driling in Alaska? or Keystone
 
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Travis007 said:
we can be energy independent if Obama would stop hating us..

why is Obama not allowing for driling in Alaska? or Keystone
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I pointed out why this is pointless in earlier posts.

We need to move off oil in the entire world. It's a win win for everyone except for the Middle East and Texas. That's a good trade, I think..
 
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Threegoofs said:
I pointed out why this is pointless in earlier posts.

We need to move off oil in the entire world. It's a win win for everyone except for the Middle East and Texas. That's a good trade, I think..
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and we need to move off "gravity and water"....

why do you liberals just not get it.. ?

Ill tell ya what.. when AF1 can run on solar you let me know.. Let Obama show us how its done..thats a great trade..keep Obama golfing here ....
 
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Travis007 said:
and we need to move off "gravity and water"....

why do you liberals just not get it.. ?

Ill tell ya what.. when AF1 can run on solar you let me know.. Let Obama show us how its done..thats a great trade..keep Obama golfing here ....
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I think it's you who doesn't get it. It's pretty complicated, and I know it's hard to understand, but reducing fossil fuel use does not mean eliminating it.

Shades of grey are hard, I know.
 
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Threegoofs said:
I pointed out why this is pointless in earlier posts.

We need to move off oil in the entire world. It's a win win for everyone except for the Middle East and Texas. That's a good trade, I think..
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Yea.. Russia and Venezuala along with Alaska and the USA proper have no oil....LOL

trhe reason why Obama is stopping our exploration is TO HELP OUR ENEMIES
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Threegoofs said:
I think it's you who doesn't get it. It's pretty complicated, and I know it's hard to understand, but reducing fossil fuel use does not mean eliminating it.

Shades of grey are hard, I know.
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Its not complicated at all... LOL....

Oh I get it..
 
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eohrnberger said:
Am I'm all for it. This is, after all, the only planet we have, so we had better take good care of it. And on whole, I think we are.

I just see no need to force it to happen at the point of a government gun, swimming upstream the whole way, forcing the market to do something that it won't or can't. Better to use the market to make it happen when the time and the technology are 'right'.

Besides, we already have electric vehicles available in the market, such as the Nissan Leaf and it's competitors. Just that the market hasn't accepted them, and their sales are pretty lousy.
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Not according to Tessla:

TESLA MODEL S SETS ALL-TIME SALES RECORD IN U.S. IN SEPTEMBER
ccbldg | OCTOBER 1, 2014
It what can only be described as frickin’ truckload after truckload of deliveries, Tesla delivers the most Model S sedans ever in a single month in the U.S.

Those naysayers who insist that demand for the Tesla Model S is waning because of a slower summer US production run can go find a pillow to cry under now.

Here’s our tally for U.S. sales in the month of September:

~2,500 Tesla Model S sedans sold
Some of the previous estimated high water marks for U.S. Tesla Model S sales include:

2,300 – March 2013
2,100 – April 2013
1,800 – July 2013 & June 2014
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Electric vehicles will become the technology of the future, with or without the help of government.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Not according to Tessla:



Electric vehicles will become the technology of the future, with or without the help of government.
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OK, fine. Tessla's are niche market cars at a premium price, at least from what I've heard.

If they are, with or without the help of the government, why should government spend the money? Couldn't / shouldn't those public monies be used somewhere else on something else?
 
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Somerville said:
It looks like you don't understand - there is no treaty YET, negotiations are still ongoing. Then there is the ever so small matter that the diplomacy is not controlled by the US, it is a mutual admiration society of six nations.
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No, YOU don't understand, Obama has made it clear that he will not be seeking ratification from the Senate:

WASHINGTON — No one knows if the Obama administration will manage in the next five weeks to strike what many in the White House consider the most important foreign policy deal of his presidency: an accord with Iran that would forestall its ability to make a nuclear weapon. But the White House has made one significant decision: If agreement is reached, President Obama will do everything in his power to avoid letting Congress vote on it.

The Treasury Department, in a detailed study it declined to make public, has concluded Mr. Obama has the authority to suspend the vast majority of those sanctions without seeking a vote by Congress, officials say.

“We wouldn’t seek congressional legislation in any comprehensive agreement for years,” one senior official said.

Ms. Meehan says there “is a role for Congress in our Iran policy,” but members of Congress want a role larger than consultation and advice. An agreement between Iran and the countries it is negotiating with — the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China — would not be a formal treaty, and thus would not require a two-thirds vote of the Senate.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/u...ran-deal-that-could-avoid-congress-.html?_r=0
 
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Somerville said:
Do you think the Senate has control over the negotiations, or only if a treaty is signed?
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The Senate must consent with a 2/3's majority ANY FOREIGN TREATY! This isn't freaking rocket science, it's in the Constitution in plain English:



[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...



So tell me when will Obama be releasing the treaty to the Senate to even read let alone ratify? Spare me your nonsense, Obama is not a king, we have 3 separate and equal branches of government.



Please note the ever so small fact that there are five other nations involved.
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Completely irrelevant, this means literally less than nothing regarding the Constitutionality of signing a treaty into law before it is ratified by the Senate.

Do you think that if the US refuses to go along with the other countries, whatever is decided, that this would have any effect on Iran? Remember, it is the sanctions presently enforced by the six nations which have brought Iran to the table.
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It is the Iranian assets frozen in the US which are at issue.

If the other nations decide that Iran is complying with an agreement of some nature, what good would sanctions by the US have on the international business community? Multi-national corporations have no patriotism, they will do what increases their profits. We already see this with fake business HQs in tax havens. Sanctions on these corporations won't play too well with the libertarian free-market types, now will it?
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The other nations can do whatever they like, in Russia for example they have a tyrant and war criminal as the head of state so dictating things is his prerogative but here in the US we have a little thing called separation of powers, if you want to live under a fascist dictator then there's the door.
 
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