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Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

What does that have to do with the OP?
everything
the republicans, recognizing they could not prevent Obama from engaging the iranians in negotiations, tried to preempt the establishment of an agreement by issuing this letter inveighing against proceeding with those discussions with the President

Also, when an NPT is violated, where does the treaty stand?
they use their clout to get the transgressor in line
much as can be witnessed in the current round of discussions with iran
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Have you ever heard the word Congressman used for a Senator?
Quibbling over terms to divert from the GOP Senators doing something never done before is duly noted.

Imagine the Senate DEMs doing this in the 1980s when Reagan was negotiating with Gorbachev .

Take it up with the quibbler, NIMBY.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

AIPAC and their purchased array of chickenhawk neocons

And to be fair add in Democrats as well.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

:lamo:lamo

Iran go moderate...

Let's see, first problems with the US, 1979. 35 years later they are building a nuclear bomb.

The magic eight ball says "Try Again"

I agree, they should never have released the $ and now they need to come down even harder.


But Israeli intelligence says that Iran is not building a nuclear bomb.


So who are the moderates.... Iran who is working with western nations and abiding by the agreement....or Netanyahu and right winger's bald face lying and screaming for pre-emptive war with Iran over non-existent WMDs....again?
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Religious hatred.

Also. The didn't signers:

Alexander
Coats
Cochran
Collins
Corker
Flake
Murkowski

I was happy to see both my Senators on that list. It's a pretty dangerous precedent to actively undermine the POTUS while he's engaged in a high stakes diplomatic effort.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Didn't you quibble with that poster first over the meaning of Congress versus the House--of course you did ocean515.

Take it up with the quibbler, NIMBY.

Cotton is a one-term Congressman whose Veteran status is based on being a JAG and sitting on his ass in Iraq.
He's never been involved in combat like McCain but is willing to undercut the President in front of the World.
Something NO Senate has ever done when negotiating with a foreign Nation.

As I've said many times before on FOREIGN POLICY alone,
just when you think the GOP has set a new low in rhetorically cutting Obama's throat, just wait for the next week in DC .
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

And to be fair add in Democrats as well.

one need not be a republican to also be a chickenhawk neocon
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

The GOP lost the white house in 2012, so now they are going to try and run the presidency from Congress. These unfriendly world leaders see that no matter what Obama does the Republican Congress will undercut him, they will do anything to make him look bad, they show no respect to Obama, or the office.

That's a dangerous game. The GOP is dying to draw us into another 10 year old.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Didn't you quibble with that poster first over the meaning of Congress versus the House--of course you did ocean515.



Cotton is a one-term Congressman whose Veteran status is based on being a JAG and sitting on his ass in Iraq.
He's never been involved in combat like McCain but is willing to undercut the President in front of the World.
Something NO Senate has ever done when negotiating with a foreign Nation.

As I've said many times before on FOREIGN POLICY alone,
just when you think the GOP has set a new low in rhetorically cutting Obama's throat, just wait for the next week in DC .

Now who's quibbling?

I have to say that it would be impossible for the GOP to set new lows, when all that has to be done to achieve that is for a liberal/progressive to open their mouth to reset the depth gage. The GOP hardly has a chance!
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Apparently many Republicans never learn from history. ****ing war hawks.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

The republicans were so out of line on this, I was surprised. We have to be a unified front outside the nation. I am not saying support our leader when he is working with other nations, but I am saying don't cut his legs out from under him. Deal with that in house.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Iran responds to the letter

Asked about the open letter of 47 US Senators to Iranian leaders, the Iranian Foreign Minister, Dr. Javad Zarif, responded that "in our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy. It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history. This indicates that like Netanyahu, who considers peace as an existential threat, some are opposed to any agreement, regardless of its content.

Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy.

Foreign Minister Zarif added that "I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States, and the conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by US domestic law. The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfil the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations.

The Iranian Foreign Minister added that "change of administration does not in any way relieve the next administration from international obligations undertaken by its predecessor in a possible agreement about Irans peaceful nuclear program." He continued "I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with the stroke of a pen, as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law.

One ever so insignificant point the GOP Senators seem to have overlooked is that the US is not alone in the negotiations with Iran. The P5+1 countries are the United Kingdom, United States, Russia, China, and France, plus Germany.

Fun, huh? The US, Germany and the UK are on one side of the table in talks over Ukraine with Russia on the opposite side, while in the talks with Iran, they are sitting side by side. The world is a whole lot more complicated than some folks seem to understand.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?



Why should non-fundamentalist Christians and those of other beliefs think they would ever have a place in this nation if the Christian right, those preaching the "End Times are nigh", takes power?

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Imagine if 47 Democratic Senators wrote to Saddam before Bush invaded.

The wingnuts would still be going nuts about 'treason'.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Reading the text of the letter lecturing Iran on US politics, it's hilarious...since a whole lot of Iranian officials have actually been educated in the US.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

This letter is an act of treason, plain and simple. Obama would be well within his rights to round up all the signatories as enemy combatants and send them to Gitmo.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Since Republicans understand and adhere to the Constitution better than Democrats.

Which treaty has ANY POTUS entered into regardless of party without the treaty being ratified by 2/3's of the Senate?


I would imagine he lives on the same planet as you and I.

Apparently not, either that or he like you doesn't understand the Constitution one iota.


Advice and Consent yes--which implicitly implies WITH the President.

2/3s ratification, yes.

Not acting as a separate executive branch--the 535 Presidents problem we have right now.

lol, the Constitution specifically leaves it to the Senate to ratify treaties, the POTUS hasn't even run the details of this agreement by the Senate, the full treaty must be brought before the Senate, and after the full disclosure of the treaty then it must be voted on by the Senate, it is not the Senate which is acting outside of their Constitutional authority, your assertions are sheer nonsense.

With intended consequences to sabotage the Iranian talks and create a more dangerous world, as with Bush/Cheney last decade.

The POTUS does not have the Constitutional authority to enter into treaties which have not been ratified by the Senate.

1st bold--good luck with that Unconstitutional thingy.

Learn to read:

1st bold--good luck with that Unconstitutional thingy.

2nd bold--you are misplacing the word fascist--as you know--

I do not know that, the Iranian regime meets every qualification for a fascist state, behind Saudi Arabia, North Korea and perhaps a few others it is one of the most repressive states on the planet, not only are they under a cult of personality but their cult leader the Ayatollah claims to have a direct line to god herself.

and trying to play the 'Patriot Card'

Not once have I resorted to jingoism, but whatever the **** you say pal.

3rd bold--your true feelings and ultimate persona -

If he signs a treaty into law without the Constitutionally mandated ratification of 2/3s of the Senate then he deserves to be impeached.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Unbelievable. They're undermining every possible attempt to arrive at an agreement that could feasibly improve the situation. It's not treason, technically, but that's absolutely how it feels to me.

you ****ing leftist
look how effective dubya was preventing north korea from getting the nuke using the republican party's approach
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Republicans' hatred for this extremely centrist president has reached critical mass. They're willing to conspire with hardline Iranian conservatives to disrupt negotiations for no reason other than to spite Obama. It goes beyond the unwavering allegiance to Israel, or even political positioning. This is the end (?) result of the right-wing echo chamber of hate concerning a black president that has been building for 6 years.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

Obviously the conservative pundits and conservative media outlets and entertainers help get the GOP's message out, and that helps the GOP get votes. But at times they get in the way. I think now it's got to the point that the conservative entertainment media keeps the base agitated all the time, and agitated about every single issue. So it now prohibits the GOP from being a serious political party.
 
Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

I don't think the Senate should be sending formal letters to foreign governments. A couple Senators visiting Iran to convey that point is fine, but this wasn't good form.
 
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