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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Didn't you quibble with that poster first over the meaning of Congress versus the House--of course you did ocean515.



    Cotton is a one-term Congressman whose Veteran status is based on being a JAG and sitting on his ass in Iraq.
    He's never been involved in combat like McCain but is willing to undercut the President in front of the World.
    Something NO Senate has ever done when negotiating with a foreign Nation.

    As I've said many times before on FOREIGN POLICY alone,
    just when you think the GOP has set a new low in rhetorically cutting Obama's throat, just wait for the next week in DC .
    Now who's quibbling?

    I have to say that it would be impossible for the GOP to set new lows, when all that has to be done to achieve that is for a liberal/progressive to open their mouth to reset the depth gage. The GOP hardly has a chance!

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Apparently many Republicans never learn from history. ****ing war hawks.


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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    The republicans were so out of line on this, I was surprised. We have to be a unified front outside the nation. I am not saying support our leader when he is working with other nations, but I am saying don't cut his legs out from under him. Deal with that in house.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Iran responds to the letter

    Asked about the open letter of 47 US Senators to Iranian leaders, the Iranian Foreign Minister, Dr. Javad Zarif, responded that "in our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy. It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history. This indicates that like Netanyahu, who considers peace as an existential threat, some are opposed to any agreement, regardless of its content.

    Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy.

    Foreign Minister Zarif added that "I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States, and the conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by US domestic law. The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfil the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations.

    The Iranian Foreign Minister added that "change of administration does not in any way relieve the next administration from international obligations undertaken by its predecessor in a possible agreement about Irans peaceful nuclear program." He continued "I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with the stroke of a pen, as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law.
    One ever so insignificant point the GOP Senators seem to have overlooked is that the US is not alone in the negotiations with Iran. The P5+1 countries are the United Kingdom, United States, Russia, China, and France, plus Germany.

    Fun, huh? The US, Germany and the UK are on one side of the table in talks over Ukraine with Russia on the opposite side, while in the talks with Iran, they are sitting side by side. The world is a whole lot more complicated than some folks seem to understand.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

    Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?



    Why should non-fundamentalist Christians and those of other beliefs think they would ever have a place in this nation if the Christian right, those preaching the "End Times are nigh", takes power?

    Attachment 67181664
    Imagine if 47 Democratic Senators wrote to Saddam before Bush invaded.

    The wingnuts would still be going nuts about 'treason'.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Reading the text of the letter lecturing Iran on US politics, it's hilarious...since a whole lot of Iranian officials have actually been educated in the US.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    This letter is an act of treason, plain and simple. Obama would be well within his rights to round up all the signatories as enemy combatants and send them to Gitmo.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Since Republicans understand and adhere to the Constitution better than Democrats.
    Which treaty has ANY POTUS entered into regardless of party without the treaty being ratified by 2/3's of the Senate?


    I would imagine he lives on the same planet as you and I.
    Apparently not, either that or he like you doesn't understand the Constitution one iota.


    Advice and Consent yes--which implicitly implies WITH the President.
    2/3s ratification, yes.

    Not acting as a separate executive branch--the 535 Presidents problem we have right now.
    lol, the Constitution specifically leaves it to the Senate to ratify treaties, the POTUS hasn't even run the details of this agreement by the Senate, the full treaty must be brought before the Senate, and after the full disclosure of the treaty then it must be voted on by the Senate, it is not the Senate which is acting outside of their Constitutional authority, your assertions are sheer nonsense.

    With intended consequences to sabotage the Iranian talks and create a more dangerous world, as with Bush/Cheney last decade.
    The POTUS does not have the Constitutional authority to enter into treaties which have not been ratified by the Senate.

    1st bold--good luck with that Unconstitutional thingy.
    Learn to read:

    1st bold--good luck with that Unconstitutional thingy.

    2nd bold--you are misplacing the word fascist--as you know--
    I do not know that, the Iranian regime meets every qualification for a fascist state, behind Saudi Arabia, North Korea and perhaps a few others it is one of the most repressive states on the planet, not only are they under a cult of personality but their cult leader the Ayatollah claims to have a direct line to god herself.

    and trying to play the 'Patriot Card'
    Not once have I resorted to jingoism, but whatever the **** you say pal.

    3rd bold--your true feelings and ultimate persona -
    If he signs a treaty into law without the Constitutionally mandated ratification of 2/3s of the Senate then he deserves to be impeached.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is the text of that letter signed by 47 (of 54) republican senators:

    Text of GOP Senators’ Letter to Iran’s Leaders on Nuclear Talks - Washington Wire - WSJ
    Unbelievable. They're undermining every possible attempt to arrive at an agreement that could feasibly improve the situation. It's not treason, technically, but that's absolutely how it feels to me.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Unbelievable. They're undermining every possible attempt to arrive at an agreement that could feasibly improve the situation. It's not treason, technically, but that's absolutely how it feels to me.
    you ****ing leftist
    look how effective dubya was preventing north korea from getting the nuke using the republican party's approach
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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