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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well we haven't spent trillions in a war that ends up destabilizing a region. That's much better than the last Republican in charge of foreign policy.

    As for Europe and Russia, not sure exactly what Republicans are pushing for that Obama's not doing.
    The letter from Sen. Cotton proved to be a smokescreen to bash HRC as seen in the following link.

    Republican senators warn Iran in open letter - Nick Gass - POLITICO

    "I'd encourage Hillary Clinton to join us", said Sen. Clinton.
    Really--is she a current Senator--the point of the letter?
    Why did seven other GOP Senators not sign the letter?
    Why didn't any of the DEM hawks like Feinstein or Menendez sign the letter?

    A better question for Cotton, since he injected POTUS politics himself first, would be to ask VP and ex-Sen. Biden,
    ex-Sen. Clinton, ex-Sen. Webb, and current Senators like Warren and Sanders what they think of the letter from a Senator's point of view.

    Instead of playing the 24/7 bash Hillary nausea from the FOX/GOP machine .
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, it's more that they don't anticipate the worlds largest funder of international terrorism will stick to their end of the deal. This is in the US interests.

    When you are facing an Iranian regime with everything to gain from lying it is good to spell out clearly up front that you don't trust them and require constant and transparent outside confirmation as well as a movement towards a more moderate state.

    As Netanyahu stated, what any such deal needs is for Iran to stop exporting terrorism, acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, and moderate their political ideology. It is ok for an enforceable 10 year ban to be put in place with the understanding that the Iran in 10 years will be worthy of lifting the ban.
    or renegotiating it.

    I can't see Iran changing much in the next decade, but who knows? Perhaps they could moderate a bit. If they don't, then let's extend the sanctions and/or have UN inspectors to see to it that they're not building a nuke. That is the goal, is it not, to discourage them from becoming a nuclear power?
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations,

    You understand what you're saying here is why Republican Senators do not support this don't you? I guess you don't. Sad. I suggest you read the Constitution.

    they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

    Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?



    Why should non-fundamentalist Christians and those of other beliefs think they would ever have a place in this nation if the Christian right, those preaching the "End Times are nigh", takes power?

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    So on your planet you don't think that the POTUS needs the advice and consent of the Senate in order to sign nuclear arms treaties. Wow.

    [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...

    Yes any Unconstitutional treaty entered into with the fascist holocaust denying new holocaust supporting Iranian state will be overthrown after the imperial President is impeached for crimes against the Constitution.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    or renegotiating it.

    I can't see Iran changing much in the next decade, but who knows? Perhaps they could moderate a bit. If they don't, then let's extend the sanctions and/or have UN inspectors to see to it that they're not building a nuke. That is the goal, is it not, to discourage them from becoming a nuclear power?
    Which of course was Netanyahu's point. If Iran won't change then they should never be allowed a nuclear program. Everything we have given Iran at this point (reclaiming frozen assets, etc.) should have been offered as part of a comprehensive set of goals that Iran would need to meet to earn them, not as a gift if they will pretty-please negotiate. As it is we are on pace to give the world's largest sponsor of Terrorism $12 billion just for negotiating. That is certifiably insane.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    You understand what you're saying here is why Republican Senators do not support this don't you?
    I guess you don't. Sad. I suggest you read the Constitution.
    Since Republicans understand and adhere to the Constitution better than Democrats.

    So on your planet you don't think that the POTUS needs the advice and consent of the Senate in order to sign nuclear arms treaties. Wow.
    [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...
    I would imagine he lives on the same planet as you and I.
    Advice and Consent yes--which implicitly implies WITH the President.
    Not acting as a separate executive branch--the 535 Presidents problem we have right now.
    With intended consequences to sabotage the Iranian talks and create a more dangerous world, as with Bush/Cheney last decade.

    Yes any Unconstitutional treaty entered into with the fascist holocaust denying new holocaust supporting Iranian state will be overthrown after the imperial President is impeached for crimes against the Constitution.
    1st bold--good luck with that Unconstitutional thingy.
    2nd bold--you are misplacing the word fascist--as you know--and trying to play the 'Patriot Card'
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    or renegotiating it.

    I can't see Iran changing much in the next decade, but who knows? Perhaps they could moderate a bit. If they don't, then let's extend the sanctions and/or have UN inspectors to see to it that they're not building a nuke. That is the goal, is it not, to discourage them from becoming a nuclear power?



    Iran go moderate...

    Let's see, first problems with the US, 1979. 35 years later they are building a nuclear bomb.

    The magic eight ball says "Try Again"

    I agree, they should never have released the $ and now they need to come down even harder.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Wait why in the hell is Rand Paul signing this letter????

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post


    Iran go moderate...

    Let's see, first problems with the US, 1979. 35 years later they are building a nuclear bomb.

    The magic eight ball says "Try Again"

    I agree, they should never have released the $ and now they need to come down even harder.
    Despite your deep knowledge of recent political history in Canada and the US, you apparently missed a little bit of history

    Iran's "first problems with the US" did not take place in 1979 but in 1953 -- In declassified document, CIA acknowledges role in '53 Iran coup.

    The Shah was a 'great friend of the US' who had just a bit of a problem with acknowledging human rights in his own country.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Conversely reminding everyone if you want to see Tel Aviv glassed and the Caliphate on the march, vote Dem.
    Yeah man, any day now the Muslims are going to defeat the United States military and overpower the most armed civilian population on Earth.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Ahem...


    Is it not the sworn duty of congressmen and senators to uphold the constitution? and in there is there not an oath to preserve and protect that law? As well as the land?

    If congress has no business in international treaties, why the **** does the constitution say they have to be ratified?

    Now to the point. It is misleading by degrees of magnitude to suggest that neither members of the house nor senate are ignorant of the details of negotiations; if so Obama is derelict in his duties, as Netanyahu knew, down to the nth detail, Canada has known ans has been objecting and Iran knows what is proposed, their REJECTION was to the point and specific.

    So what you have is Iran hates it, Canada hates it, Israel hates it, but Obama still wants it and is now blaming congress for doing the job HE should be doing as Chief of the Executive branch.

    So, as they say, what specifically is your point? Are are you pouting because another one of Obama stupid ideas has been shot down by a few hundred wiser men?
    Apparently some folks on the conservative side of the political spectrum are a bit upset with the Senators - at least one is anyway.
    Error in the Senators’ Letter to the Leaders of Iran
    The letter states that “the Senate must ratify [a treaty] by a two-thirds vote.” But as the Senate’s own web page makes clear: “The Senate does not ratify treaties. Instead, the Senate takes up a resolution of ratification, by which the Senate formally gives its advice and consent, empowering the president to proceed with ratification” (my emphasis). Or, as this outstanding 2001 CRS Report on the Senate’s role in treaty-making states (at 117): “It is the President who negotiates and ultimately ratifies treaties for the United States, but only if the Senate in the intervening period gives its advice and consent.” Ratification is the formal act of the nation’s consent to be bound by the treaty on the international plane. Senate consent is a necessary but not sufficient condition of treaty ratification for the United States. As the CRS Report notes: “When a treaty to which the Senate has advised and consented … is returned to the President,” he may “simply decide not to ratify the treaty.”

    This is a technical point that does not detract from the letter’s message that any administration deal with Iran might not last beyond this presidency. (I analyzed this point here last year.) But in a letter purporting to teach a constitutional lesson, the error is embarrassing.
    As one blogger noted, it should be embarrassing to Sen. Cotton, the author of the letter, as he is a graduate of Harvard Law.

    Where are you finding a "few hundred wiser men" than the President? He seems to be doing quite nicely on most levels, despite six years of never before seen obstructionism. I don't agree with everything the Administration has done or is doing but unlike some folks I tend to pick and choose the points on which I disagree with Obama - unlike those who are "ag'in it if he is for it", even when his actions were ones the right once supported.

    They really should change the name from GOP to HOP (Hypocritical Oldfarts Party)
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