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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

    Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?



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    Is it not the sworn duty of congressmen and senators to uphold the constitution? and in there is there not an oath to preserve and protect that law? As well as the land?

    If congress has no business in international treaties, why the **** does the constitution say they have to be ratified?

    Now to the point. It is misleading by degrees of magnitude to suggest that neither members of the house nor senate are ignorant of the details of negotiations; if so Obama is derelict in his duties, as Netanyahu knew, down to the nth detail, Canada has known ans has been objecting and Iran knows what is proposed, their REJECTION was to the point and specific.

    So what you have is Iran hates it, Canada hates it, Israel hates it, but Obama still wants it and is now blaming congress for doing the job HE should be doing as Chief of the Executive branch.

    So, as they say, what specifically is your point? Are are you pouting because another one of Obama stupid ideas has been shot down by a few hundred wiser men?
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, absolutely. What other possible motivation could there be to try to scuttle negotiations to try to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear power? Surely they don't want a nuclear armed Iran, no, what they want is to make it look as if Obama and the Democrats want Iran to get nukes by making it more likely that they do. In their upside down world, it would be a good thing for Iran to build a bomb, if only they could blame that bomb on the Democrats.
    Nope. Obama's feckless foreign policy just puts Iran into a win-win position with no practical benefit for the US. If sticking up for US interests and Allies is soiling the deal then it was not a good deal to begin with.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.
    Don't kid yourself. They know plenty. They have committees on just about everything. The claim that "they know nothing" is laughable.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope. Obama's feckless foreign policy just puts Iran into a win-win position with no practical benefit for the US. If sticking up for US interests and Allies is soiling the deal then it was not a good deal to begin with.
    I'm not so sure it's really "sticking up for US interests" so much as telling the Iranians that they don't plan to honor any deal that is made anyway.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Ahem...


    Is it not the sworn duty of congressmen and senators to uphold the constitution? and in there is there not an oath to preserve and protect that law? As well as the land?

    If congress has no business in international treaties, why the **** does the constitution say they have to be ratified?

    Now to the point. It is misleading by degrees of magnitude to suggest that neither members of the house nor senate are ignorant of the details of negotiations; if so Obama is derelict in his duties, as Netanyahu knew, down to the nth detail, Canada has known ans has been objecting and Iran knows what is proposed, their REJECTION was to the point and specific.

    So what you have is Iran hates it, Canada hates it, Israel hates it, but Obama still wants it and is now blaming congress for doing the job HE should be doing as Chief of the Executive branch.

    So, as they say, what specifically is your point? Are are you pouting because another one of Obama stupid ideas has been shot down by a few hundred wiser men?
    Greetings, F&L.

    Well said! And it is humorous that anyone would refer to the "dysfunctional Republican-led Congress." They've been on the job for all of two months, and they haven't fixed all the world's problems yet, let alone tackle the backlog of hundreds of bills Harry Reid shoved in a drawer rather than bring them up for a vote? Shame on them! : Obama has had six years, - what's his excuse for the six or seven new wars currently going on - is he also "dysfunctional?" One good thing - the Republicans will follow the wishes of the voters, as evidenced by the midterms - so watch and see what comes next!

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    Well said! And it is humorous that anyone would refer to the "dysfunctional Republican-led Congress." They've been on the job for all of two months, and they haven't fixed all the world's problems yet, let alone tackle the backlog of hundreds of bills Harry Reid shoved in a drawer rather than bring them up for a vote? Shame on them! : Obama has had six years, - what's his excuse for the six or seven new wars currently going on - is he also "dysfunctional?" One good thing - the Republicans will follow the wishes of the voters, as evidenced by the midterms - so watch and see what comes next!


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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Actually, no role. And it's not common to refer to the House as Congress.
    Perhaps among those who don't know the difference, but it's not common at all.
    Have you ever heard the word Congressman used for a Senator?
    Quibbling over terms to divert from the GOP Senators doing something never done before is duly noted.

    Imagine the Senate DEMs doing this in the 1980s when Reagan was negotiating with Gorbachev .
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    If Iran has followed all the terms of the agreement and then the US renegs on the deal.....that would make the US look a lot worse than Iran in the eyes of the world and it's reputation as a world leader would diminish.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    Well said! And it is humorous that anyone would refer to the "dysfunctional Republican-led Congress." They've been on the job for all of two months, and they haven't fixed all the world's problems yet, let alone tackle the backlog of hundreds of bills Harry Reid shoved in a drawer rather than bring them up for a vote? Shame on them! :
    Those bills now reside in Sen. McConnell's drawer--why hasn't he got them out for a vote?
    Where is the GOP alternative to ACA, just as one example?

    Obama has had six years, - what's his excuse for the six or seven new wars currently going on - is he also "dysfunctional?" One good thing - the Republicans will follow the wishes of the voters, as evidenced by the midterms - so watch and see what comes next!
    Do tell of the six or seven NEW wars currently going on, especially on the level Bush/Cheney lied us into.
    Our VA is still overloaded from that one, in case you missed the 22 Veterans who commit suicide every day .
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not so sure it's really "sticking up for US interests" so much as telling the Iranians that they don't plan to honor any deal that is made anyway.
    No, it's more that they don't anticipate the worlds largest funder of international terrorism will stick to their end of the deal. This is in the US interests.

    When you are facing an Iranian regime with everything to gain from lying it is good to spell out clearly up front that you don't trust them and require constant and transparent outside confirmation as well as a movement towards a more moderate state.

    As Netanyahu stated, what any such deal needs is for Iran to stop exporting terrorism, acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, and moderate their political ideology. It is ok for an enforceable 10 year ban to be put in place with the understanding that the Iran in 10 years will be worthy of lifting the ban.
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