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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Umm no, this is about limiting enrichment and lifting sanctions, your assertions are pure nonsense and not even the White House is making this argument, they're just calling it an agreement/deal as if it's not a treaty, tell us sport if this is not a separate treaty then why does the agreement need to be made in the first place?
    that's just it
    the treaty has already been negotiated
    the terms of enforcement/compliance are now being revisited regarding the actions of a singular NPT member
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I don't think an open letter to the Iranians is a particularly good idea. I think it would have been a better idea to do an op-ed or a senate resolution. But Obama has decided to bypass congress for the last two years of his term, so he and his dem allies cant get too outraged if the congress decides to bypass him.
    that's pretty much it in a nutshell... though I would categorize the letter as " pretty ****ing stupid".

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that's just it
    the treaty has already been negotiated
    the terms of enforcement/compliance are now being revisited regarding the actions of a singular NPT member
    Tell me where in the NPT does it deal with limiting nuclear enrichment and number of centrifuges? Hey but if you're right then Iran doesn't need to be involved in the negotiations whatsoever, they don't need to sign anything and we don't need to offer them anything since they've already ratified the NPT, hell these negotiations are all superlative so they might as well be dropped right now.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If you're going to go that route you can't omit Nixon and his actually treasonous intervention into Vietnam negotiations, and interventions that might have killed many thousands of U.S. soldiers. We've recently been blessed with the tapes of LBJ explaining that to Dirksen. Or that Reagan was negotiating with Iran to keep the hostages until after the 1980 elections.
    Wasn't going any "route". Just pointing out that there is indeed a history to this type of thing - it's not unprecedented at all, and it's not all glorious on the other side of things.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Same old anti-Semitic "Jooz control the worlds governments" canard just another day.
    I ask again. Please tell us--what does AIPAC have to do w/"JOOZ" ?

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

    AIPAC, where? Here! From someone who's been there, done that.

    How We Know AIPAC Wrote The GOP’s “Treason” Letter To Iran.

    "...Because the letter seems at least borderline treasonous–senators telling a foreign power not to bother negotiating with the President–some question whether AIPAC was involved in drafting it. After all, the 47 Republican senators will, we know from experience, do anything to harm President Obama’s initiatives without regard to niceties like the law or the Constitution.
    But AIPAC? Would they go that far?

    The answer is simple. ..."

    How We Know AIPAC Wrote The GOP’s “Treason” Letter To Iran | MJ Rosenberg On Everything
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    I was unaware that explaining the Constitution to a foreign government equates to undermining US foreign policy, oh wait I guess it does if the POTUS thinks he's a king.
    This whole "Obama thinks he's a king" meme is simply bizarre with zero relationship to reality but never mind -- those 47 Senators are the "real Amurricans" even though old man McCain is now blaming a snowstorm for signing the letter.

    A retired General doesn't think the 47 Senators are "traitors" but he does have another adjective to describe them
    The open letter to the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran signed by 47 senators and instigated by Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) was a stunning breach of protocol. One so outrageous that my former colleagues at the New York Daily News dubbed the signers “traitors.”
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    “I would use the word mutinous,” said (Major Gen. Paul D. Eaton, USA-Ret.)Eaton, whose long career includes training Iraqi forces from 2003 to 2004. He is now a senior adviser to VoteVets.org. “I do not believe these senators were trying to sell out America. I do believe they defied the chain of command in what could be construed as an illegal act.” Eaton certainly had stern words for Cotton.

    “What Senator Cotton did is a gross breach of discipline, and especially as a veteran of the Army, he should know better,” Eaton told me. “I have no issue with Senator Cotton, or others, voicing their opinion in opposition to any deal to halt Iran’s nuclear progress. Speaking out on these issues is clearly part of his job. But to directly engage a foreign entity, in this way, undermining the strategy and work of our diplomats and our Commander in Chief, strains the very discipline and structure that our foreign relations depend on, to succeed.”
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

    This may be a bit of old news regarding the topic of this thread, but Iran's foreign minister actually responded to the letter written by 47 GOP senators.

    Republican senators' letter to Iran about ongoing nuclear talks has prompted a lengthy response from Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, who delivered an overview of international law as he critiqued the letter.

    Zarif said he was astonished by the letter, saying it suggests the U.S. lawmakers "not only do not understand international law" — a subject in which he is a professor — "but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy," according to Iran's Foreign Ministry.
    But that is only the tip of the iceberg.

    Zarif, noting that negotiations are ongoing and haven't yielded an agreement, said the U.S. lawmakers' "unconventional methods" show that they "are opposed to any agreement, regardless of its content."

    Saying he hopes to "enrich the knowledge of the authors," Zarif said:

    "I should bring one important point to the attention of the authors and that is, the world is not the United States, and the conduct of inter-state relations is governed by international law, and not by US domestic law. The authors may not fully understand that in international law, governments represent the entirety of their respective states, are responsible for the conduct of foreign affairs, are required to fulfill the obligations they undertake with other states and may not invoke their internal law as justification for failure to perform their international obligations."

    Zarif also noted that many previous international agreements the U.S. has been a party to have been "mere executive agreements," and not full treaties that received Senate ratification.

    He said any deal on sanctions and Iran's nuclear program would not be bilateral; would require approval by the U.N. and the U.N. Security Council; and would not be subject to modification by Congress.

    He added, "I wish to enlighten the authors that if the next administration revokes any agreement with the stroke of a pen, as they boast, it will have simply committed a blatant violation of international law."
    Iran Calls GOP Letter 'Propaganda Ploy,' Offers To 'Enlighten' Authors : The Two-Way : NPR
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This may be a bit of old news regarding the topic of this thread, but Iran's foreign minister actually responded to the letter written by 47 GOP senators.



    But that is only the tip of the iceberg.



    Iran Calls GOP Letter 'Propaganda Ploy,' Offers To 'Enlighten' Authors : The Two-Way : NPR
    do you agree with the Iranian that international law supersedes the Constitution?

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