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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    You see they ratified the NPT and now they are creating an entirely new treaty that needs to be ratified. What kind of question is this?
    and what they are negotiating differs from the provisions of the NPT in what ways?
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

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    and what they are negotiating differs from the provisions of the NPT in what ways?
    It has nothing to do with the NPT in ANY way it has to do with lifting sanctions and limiting nuclear enrichment. Your assertion that because the NPT was ratified that this new and entirely separate treaty l\does not need to be ratified is utter nonsense. It would be like saying that because the Geneva Conventions were ratified that the Rome Statute does not need to be.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

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    OK, fine. Tessla's are niche market cars at a premium price, at least from what I've heard.

    If they are, with or without the help of the government, why should government spend the money? Couldn't / shouldn't those public monies be used somewhere else on something else?
    I'd think so.

    Electric vehicles are the technology of the future, but it's up to the private sector to bring that technology to the present.

    Imagine what the personal computer would look like if it had been up to the government to develop them. No, some things are best left to the private sector.

    Let's see.... I think we're off the subject.

    Should the Republicans be telling Iran that they won't abide by an agreement with a foreign nation without knowing even what is included in that agreement?

    I say, no. How can any agreement be negotiated when a third party is saying that the agreement won't be honored anyway?
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING - yet they are telling not just the President and Iran but the whole world that they (the GOP) refuse to talk and that they prefer to act like 5 year old brats demanding control of the sandbox. Our only problem being that instead of throwing juice boxes at the other kids, the GOP is ready to throw nuclear weapons. One could start to think that the GOP would like to have Benyamin Netanyahu as President - he does seem to be quite successful at yanking their chains.

    Why are they doing this? Playing to their base? Threatening war if a nation refuses to bow down to its 'rightful master' does not seem rational when one is talking about a nation with religious beliefs that support suicidal attacks against its enemies.

    Does anyone really think that telling the Iranians do as we say or we bomb you into fields of radioactive glass would play well internationally? OR do some people truly believe that slaughtering millions of fellow humans is a good idea?



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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    O doesn't have to worry about Congress--he can negotiate directly w/AIPAC. Congressional Repubs are subordinate to AIPAC and are required to obey all its orders.
    Yep yep those sneaky JOOZ controlling the government.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    It has nothing to do with the NPT in ANY way it has to do with lifting sanctions and limiting nuclear enrichment. Your assertion that because the NPT was ratified that this new and entirely separate treaty l\does not need to be ratified is utter nonsense. It would be like saying that because the Geneva Conventions were ratified that the Rome Statute does not need to be.
    are the negotiations not about curbing iran's opportunity to become a member of the nuclear weapons club? that's the NPT. an agreement already ratified by the USA. now we are exercising our responsibility as a nuclear-wielding NPT signatory to assure another signatory remains in compliance with that same agreement
    now, explain for us again how this has nothing to do with thwarting iran from acquiring nuclear weapons capability
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'd think so.

    Electric vehicles are the technology of the future, but it's up to the private sector to bring that technology to the present.

    Imagine what the personal computer would look like if it had been up to the government to develop them. No, some things are best left to the private sector.

    Let's see.... I think we're off the subject.

    Should the Republicans be telling Iran that they won't abide by an agreement with a foreign nation without knowing even what is included in that agreement?

    I say, no. How can any agreement be negotiated when a third party is saying that the agreement won't be honored anyway?
    you may be correct
    but i would not discount the long term future of hydrogen powered fuel cells
    would eliminate the need to upgrade our power plants/grid to supply the additional electric demand for autos
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you may be correct
    but i would not discount the long term future of hydrogen powered fuel cells
    would eliminate the need to upgrade our power plants/grid to supply the additional electric demand for autos
    The problem with this technology is it isn't good at high power draw, so batteries are still needed in the loop. The other issue is keeping inpurities out of the membranes. It'll take time to get them to the point you're talking about.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'd think so.

    Electric vehicles are the technology of the future, but it's up to the private sector to bring that technology to the present.

    Imagine what the personal computer would look like if it had been up to the government to develop them. No, some things are best left to the private sector.

    Let's see.... I think we're off the subject.

    Should the Republicans be telling Iran that they won't abide by an agreement with a foreign nation without knowing even what is included in that agreement?

    I say, no. How can any agreement be negotiated when a third party is saying that the agreement won't be honored anyway?
    Seems to have already been established via historical precedent.

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    So let's skip all the one sided fauxrage from the administration and the Democrats as exactly that, what it really is.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Yep yep those sneaky JOOZ controlling the government.
    Um, what does AIPAC have to do w/JOOZ?

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