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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Not according to Tessla:



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    OK, fine. Tessla's are niche market cars at a premium price, at least from what I've heard.

    If they are, with or without the help of the government, why should government spend the money? Couldn't / shouldn't those public monies be used somewhere else on something else?
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It looks like you don't understand - there is no treaty YET, negotiations are still ongoing. Then there is the ever so small matter that the diplomacy is not controlled by the US, it is a mutual admiration society of six nations.
    No, YOU don't understand, Obama has made it clear that he will not be seeking ratification from the Senate:

    WASHINGTON — No one knows if the Obama administration will manage in the next five weeks to strike what many in the White House consider the most important foreign policy deal of his presidency: an accord with Iran that would forestall its ability to make a nuclear weapon. But the White House has made one significant decision: If agreement is reached, President Obama will do everything in his power to avoid letting Congress vote on it.

    The Treasury Department, in a detailed study it declined to make public, has concluded Mr. Obama has the authority to suspend the vast majority of those sanctions without seeking a vote by Congress, officials say.

    “We wouldn’t seek congressional legislation in any comprehensive agreement for years,” one senior official said.

    Ms. Meehan says there “is a role for Congress in our Iran policy,” but members of Congress want a role larger than consultation and advice. An agreement between Iran and the countries it is negotiating with — the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China — would not be a formal treaty, and thus would not require a two-thirds vote of the Senate.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/us...ess-.html?_r=0

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Do you think the Senate has control over the negotiations, or only if a treaty is signed?
    The Senate must consent with a 2/3's majority ANY FOREIGN TREATY! This isn't freaking rocket science, it's in the Constitution in plain English:



    [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...



    So tell me when will Obama be releasing the treaty to the Senate to even read let alone ratify? Spare me your nonsense, Obama is not a king, we have 3 separate and equal branches of government.



    Please note the ever so small fact that there are five other nations involved.
    Completely irrelevant, this means literally less than nothing regarding the Constitutionality of signing a treaty into law before it is ratified by the Senate.

    Do you think that if the US refuses to go along with the other countries, whatever is decided, that this would have any effect on Iran? Remember, it is the sanctions presently enforced by the six nations which have brought Iran to the table.
    It is the Iranian assets frozen in the US which are at issue.

    If the other nations decide that Iran is complying with an agreement of some nature, what good would sanctions by the US have on the international business community? Multi-national corporations have no patriotism, they will do what increases their profits. We already see this with fake business HQs in tax havens. Sanctions on these corporations won't play too well with the libertarian free-market types, now will it?
    The other nations can do whatever they like, in Russia for example they have a tyrant and war criminal as the head of state so dictating things is his prerogative but here in the US we have a little thing called separation of powers, if you want to live under a fascist dictator then there's the door.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    This is an entirely separate treaty from the NPT.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OK, fine. Tessla's are niche market cars at a premium price, at least from what I've heard.
    Tesla is researching how to make a much cheaper model.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Tesla is researching how to make a much cheaper model.
    If they are currently researching, then it's probably not out on the market for purchase yet either.

    Hey, I wish them the best, and I hope that they succeed. I even hope that the market accepts it, and make it a successful product.

    Can you imagine? Next to no maintenance for the life of the vehicle (well except after 4-5 years replace all the batteries), never to the gas pump, but to the plug. Most people treat their cars like appliances (yeah, I'm a car guy, so not me), now it'll be one.

    Should Tessla be able to pull that off, there's be a market stampede to buy them, and great pressure on the rest of the industry to produce similar products of equal or better quality, performance, comfort, etc. And best of all, the government doesn't have to do much if anything. Perfect, I'd call it.

    Oh, of course more generation capacity would have to be put online pretty darn quickly. No one is going to accept rolling brown outs because the other 1/2 of town are all charging their cars at the same time!
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If they are currently researching, then it's probably not out on the market for purchase yet either.

    Hey, I wish them the best, and I hope that they succeed. I even hope that the market accepts it, and make it a successful product.

    Can you imagine? Next to no maintenance for the life of the vehicle (well except after 4-5 years replace all the batteries), never to the gas pump, but to the plug. Most people treat their cars like appliances (yeah, I'm a car guy, so not me), now it'll be one.

    Should Tessla be able to pull that off, there's be a market stampede to buy them, and great pressure on the rest of the industry to produce similar products of equal or better quality, performance, comfort, etc. And best of all, the government doesn't have to do much if anything. Perfect, I'd call it.

    Oh, of course more generation capacity would have to be put online pretty darn quickly. No one is going to accept rolling brown outs because the other 1/2 of town are all charging their cars at the same time!
    The cheaper ones aren't out yet, no. But AFAIK, the high-end models are doing extremely well.

    Also, the guys behind the company aren't dummies. They'll figure out how to make a cheaper car at some point. It's even possible that Detroit or Japan may beat them to it. Believe me, they're trying.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    This is an entirely separate treaty from the NPT.
    what makes it different?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what makes it different?
    You see they ratified the NPT and now they are creating an entirely new treaty that needs to be ratified. What kind of question is this?

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last[W:159]

    For some reason my post is not taking paragraph breaks - it all becomes a running text so I'll use dashes to separate my paragraphs. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"United States Senators Indicate that the US is Incapable and not to be Trusted With Negotiations" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These are foreign headlines being printed right now, no kidding. Why are the American people allowing these 47 Senators even one more second in a United States office? Can we impeach them please, and try them for treason? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------These 47 senators are TRAITORS, period, full stop. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------At the very least they are felons under the Logan Act. "Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The only problem with it is that three years in prison is not enough punishment for these traitors. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------To write a letter to another country - an enemy country, actually - to warn them that dealing with the Executive Office of the United States is not in their best interest, is complete and utter treason. What the heck were they thinking? To score some domestic lame political points, they jeopardize the reputation of the United States abroad? -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------They have more than demonstrated they are UNFIT for the positions we elected them to (I mean, not we, but some of us, the dumbest bunch, because I didn't vote for any of them). Not to mention they are seemingly unhinged and possibly will be even more dangerous in the next sophomoric stunt they are certain to pull if not reigned in. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is A DISGRACE!!! Nothing in our history compares to this. These people need to be dragged out of Congress and thrown in prison!! And to think that three of them are trying to run for POTUS! Idiots! Morons!
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