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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    See this is why I also laugh hysterically at those at the far right who claim Obama is the antichrist. Your posts however show the far left view and it's always good for a chuckle. Thanks!
    No. Im specifically giving you the non-US view. In fact, I stated it a few times.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is one more sign of how dysfunctional the Republican-led Congress has become. They know none of the details regarding the negotiations, they know nothing about what Iran is willing to concede - NOTHING
    What you just described there is the primary problem this foreign policy nightmare POTUS has created. He's supposed to keep congress apprised of the negotiations. You do realize, that barring some sort of idiot game the POTUS is playing, that congress is the one to decide on the ratification of any treaty.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. Im specifically giving you the non-US view. In fact, I stated it a few times.

    The fact you can't comprehend that a whole lot of people consider the U.S. as exporting terror in Iraq, among them people with family and friends that have been killed, displaced, or had their lives otherwise ruined as a direct result of the pointless US invasion is YOUR problem, not anyone else's.
    Why would you think I'd be interested in a non-US view?
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, some would equate the GOP as being the biggest supplier of worldwide terrorism.

    I realize that's difficult for you to hear, and even more challenging for you to comprehend, but it's not a fringe view elsewhere in the world.

    For an example, see here:

    https://www.iraqbodycount.org


    What bull****!

    You post a chart from an unknown source counting the violent deaths in Iraq "including combatants" and claim somehow that "Republicans" are involved?

    If I am not mistaken, Obama "ended" the war in Iraq back there in 2011. So for four years now people "including civilians" have been dying at a rate of about 120 per day when there were NO US troops on the ground or in the air....

    and the REPUBLICANS are responsible?


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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    please for our enjoyment tell us how most electricity is generated and from what, to power electric "green" cars....
    Hey! Isn't it that nuclear plant . . . err . . down the road? Nope. That got protested and Env. Impact studied to death.
    Hey! Isn't it that wind farm . . err . . up on the ridge? Nope. That's too expensive to operate
    Hey! Isn't it that hydrodam . . err . . down in the valley? Nope. That got cancelled.
    Hey! Isn't it the solar farm . . err . . . in the desert? Nope. That's not generating enough electricity.

    It's the coal plant stupid!

    Yeah, the one that Obama' seen fit onto which to hoist yet more expensive EPA regulations, so that we all can less afford electricity.
    Especially so now, that what?? Everyone is supposed to buy and drive electric cars?

    And these people call themselves the enlightened elitists?

    Hey guys, I think you'd better go back and re-think this one from front to back and all the parts that are along side.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What you just described there is the primary problem this foreign policy nightmare POTUS has created. He's supposed to keep congress apprised of the negotiations. You do realize, that barring some sort of idiot game the POTUS is playing, that congress is the one to decide on the ratification of any treaty.
    Obviously you haven't been following this thread. The US is only one of the seven participants, so there are probably requests by the others that delicate negotiations be kept secret until they are closer to finding mutually agreeable points.

    Then there is the "ratification" thing which has already been criticised by at least one conservative scholar. Error in Senators' letter to the leaders of Iran

    Then just for a bit of humour, well it is funny for some of us as it highlights the ongoing hypocrisy of the GOP. Cheney: Congress Must Not Interfere With President's Iran Policy
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Why would you think I'd be interested in a non-US view?
    That's true. You're very one dimensional.

    Feel free to ignore anything that doesn't fit into your predetermined worldview.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What bull****!

    You post a chart from an unknown source counting the violent deaths in Iraq "including combatants" and claim somehow that "Republicans" are involved?

    If I am not mistaken, Obama "ended" the war in Iraq back there in 2011. So for four years now people "including civilians" have been dying at a rate of about 120 per day when there were NO US troops on the ground or in the air....

    and the REPUBLICANS are responsible?


    LOL.

    It's not an unknown source.

    The methodology is pretty clear,
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    and another itsy-bitsy problem for the GOP. Senate historian can't find any similar letter in the 200 year history of the Senate

    Precedent for GOP’s Iran letter hard to find, historians say

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Senate Historian’s Office has so far been unable to find another example in the chamber’s history where one political party openly tried to deal with a foreign power against a presidential policy, as Republicans have attempted in their open letter to Iran this week

    The letter sent by 47 Republican senators sets out to instruct Iranian leaders about how the U.S. Constitution works. They wrote that the deal currently being negotiated with their government by the U.S. and western allies, to limit Iran’s nuclear expansion could be undone by Congress.

    “We haven’t found a precedent,” said Senate Historian Donald Ritchie. “That doesn’t mean there isn’t a precedent. After 200 years, it’s hard to find anything that unprecedented.”
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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