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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Iran is acting like a very rational actor in this play, as they have been for years. They want nukes for a very good reason - they are surrounded by potential enemies, and two are armed with nuclear weapons, not to mention the US.

    The US has little interests in the region besides oil (and the holy rollers hoping for a second coming in Israel).

    Our best strategy would be to minimize our dependence on their oil, and hopefully minimize the worlds dependence upon it, thus making the region the equivalent of a backwater. The best way by far to do this is to develop alternative fuel sources, so that the economic benefits of creating energy go to us, not them. Unfortunately, our shortsighted politicians are outsourcing this to the Chinese, so the leaders in renewable energy in a few decades wiil be outside the US.

    sure funding terror and proxy wars is "very rational"....

    hahah on the alt fuels... how about just opening up fed lands for drilling..

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Iran is acting like a very rational actor in this play, as they have been for years. They want nukes for a very good reason - they are surrounded by potential enemies, and two are armed with nuclear weapons, not to mention the US.

    The US has little interests in the region besides oil (and the holy rollers hoping for a second coming in Israel).

    Our best strategy would be to minimize our dependence on their oil, and hopefully minimize the worlds dependence upon it, thus making the region the equivalent of a backwater. The best way by far to do this is to develop alternative fuel sources, so that the economic benefits of creating energy go to us, not them. Unfortunately, our shortsighted politicians are outsourcing this to the Chinese, so the leaders in renewable energy in a few decades wiil be outside the US.
    If the US in any way assists, encourages, or induces Iran to gain nuclear weapons, we are in violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Iran is acting like a very rational actor in this play, as they have been for years. They want nukes for a very good reason - they are surrounded by potential enemies, and two are armed with nuclear weapons, not to mention the US.

    The US has little interests in the region besides oil (and the holy rollers hoping for a second coming in Israel).

    Our best strategy would be to minimize our dependence on their oil, and hopefully minimize the worlds dependence upon it, thus making the region the equivalent of a backwater. The best way by far to do this is to develop alternative fuel sources, so that the economic benefits of creating energy go to us, not them. Unfortunately, our shortsighted politicians are outsourcing this to the Chinese, so the leaders in renewable energy in a few decades wiil be outside the US.
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    sure funding terror and proxy wars is "very rational"....

    hahah on the alt fuels... how about just opening up fed lands for drilling..
    I'm with Travis on this one. While alt fuels is a nice theory, they've yet to come up with something that's cost effective and competitive in the market. THey just aren't there yet. Maybe someday. And when that day comes, the market will shift on it's own accord, with disruption, yeah, but at least the market would be a willing participant in that disruption, not like if it's the government gun to the head of the market.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Iran claims victory regardless of negotiations outcome. What's implied in this is no matter what the US loses.... and my fear is, they're right.

    Iran Declares Pre-emptive Victory in Nuke Talks | Washington Free Beacon
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'm with Travis on this one. While alt fuels is a nice theory, they've yet to come up with something that's cost effective and competitive in the market. THey just aren't there yet. Maybe someday. And when that day comes, the market will shift on it's own accord, with disruption, yeah, but at least the market would be a willing participant in that disruption, not like if it's the government gun to the head of the market.
    It will happen sooner than you think, and it gets closer all the time. Don't forget, this is the first time since the 1950s that the US has become a net exporter of oil.

    Expect gasoline-free vehicles within the next few decades.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Iran claims victory regardless of negotiations outcome. What's implied in this is no matter what the US loses.... and my fear is, they're right.

    Iran Declares Pre-emptive Victory in Nuke Talks | Washington Free Beacon
    Iran would be claiming victory while the radiation was settling about what use to be Tehran right after an Israeli nuclear strike!
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    sure funding terror and proxy wars is "very rational"....

    hahah on the alt fuels... how about just opening up fed lands for drilling..
    Well, the U.S. Funds proxy wars. And if you look at it from the other side, say Yemen's, it would be considered 'terror'.

    Pumping more oil is not the solution. It's just postponing a problem.Middle East oil will be easier to extract for a long time, and the rest of the world will be giving them money for a long time.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'm with Travis on this one. While alt fuels is a nice theory, they've yet to come up with something that's cost effective and competitive in the market. THey just aren't there yet. Maybe someday. And when that day comes, the market will shift on it's own accord, with disruption, yeah, but at least the market would be a willing participant in that disruption, not like if it's the government gun to the head of the market.
    We can do a lot to expidite the development, and to stop encouraging fossil fuels.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, the U.S. Funds proxy wars. And if you look at it from the other side, say Yemen's, it would be considered 'terror'.

    Pumping more oil is not the solution. It's just postponing a problem.Middle East oil will be easier to extract for a long time, and the rest of the world will be giving them money for a long time.

    sure... didnt Obama just fumble away Yemen?..when a few month sback he said it was "the model" of what his policies have solved..its so hard to type as Im laughing

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    We can do a lot to expidite the development, and to stop encouraging fossil fuels.
    please for our enjoyment tell us how most electricity is generated and from what, to power electric "green" cars....

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