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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, it is Iranian assets that were frozen after the US Embassy was over run in 1979. But it sure has all the feel of the US payments to North Korea for not developing a bomb... which they used to develop a bomb.
    Oh, so it was their money to begin with. Turning loose of it shouldn't be a problem, then, but, since we have it, it's a bargaining chip.

    Now the problem is this:

    Congress has already declared, before an agreement is reached, that it won't approve of the agreement.

    So, unless the administration can somehow negotiate an agreement with a foreign power that isn't a treaty, what's the pointy of negotiating at all?
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, so it was their money to begin with. Turning loose of it shouldn't be a problem, then, but, since we have it, it's a bargaining chip.

    Now the problem is this:

    Congress has already declared, before an agreement is reached, that it won't approve of the agreement.

    So, unless the administration can somehow negotiate an agreement with a foreign power that isn't a treaty, what's the pointy of negotiating at all?
    Congress declared they won't approve of the agreement?.... when did this happen?

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Congress declared they won't approve of the agreement?.... when did this happen?
    47 Senators did anyway. That's enough to scuttle any deal that requires a 2/3 vote isn't it?
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, so it was their money to begin with. Turning loose of it shouldn't be a problem, then, but, since we have it, it's a bargaining chip.

    Now the problem is this:

    Congress has already declared, before an agreement is reached, that it won't approve of the agreement.

    So, unless the administration can somehow negotiate an agreement with a foreign power that isn't a treaty, what's the pointy of negotiating at all?
    I think, I don't know but I think, the agreement will mandate inspections of all nuclear power facilities and uranium enrichment plants in return for the lifting of sanctions in the international marketplace. So, even if the Senate votes against any agreement, if the other five nations approve the document it will simply mean the US loses some relevancy in the Middle East.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    47 Senators did anyway. That's enough to scuttle any deal that requires a 2/3 vote isn't it?
    they haven't said they won't approve of it in the end... they just want to their say in it before it goes into effect.... unfortunately, that's something Obama has specifically said he won't allow them.

    he's empowered to negotiate on his own, no doubt about it.. it's his job... but he's taking things a bit far by purposefully telling Congress they will have no part in it.

    it's all a bunch of bull****.... between Congress and Obama, all I see is a bunch of spoiled bratty babies that refuse to play well with others

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    If you're going to go that route you can't omit Nixon and his actually treasonous intervention into Vietnam negotiations, and interventions that might have killed many thousands of U.S. soldiers. We've recently been blessed with the tapes of LBJ explaining that to Dirksen. Or that Reagan was negotiating with Iran to keep the hostages until after the 1980 elections.

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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I think, I don't know but I think, the agreement will mandate inspections of all nuclear power facilities and uranium enrichment plants in return for the lifting of sanctions in the international marketplace. So, even if the Senate votes against any agreement, if the other five nations approve the document it will simply mean the US loses some relevancy in the Middle East.
    I hope you're right on both counts. An international agreement that would mandate inspections would be the best option. As for Thrilla's observation:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    they haven't said they won't approve of it in the end... they just want to their say in it before it goes into effect.... unfortunately, that's something Obama has specifically said he won't allow them.

    he's empowered to negotiate on his own, no doubt about it.. it's his job... but he's taking things a bit far by purposefully telling Congress they will have no part in it.

    it's all a bunch of bull****.... between Congress and Obama, all I see is a bunch of spoiled bratty babies that refuse to play well with others
    Let's hope that there are some adults in the negotiations who will do what must be done.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If you're going to go that route you can't omit Nixon and his actually treasonous intervention into Vietnam negotiations, and interventions that might have killed many thousands of U.S. soldiers. We've recently been blessed with the tapes of LBJ explaining that to Dirksen. Or that Reagan was negotiating with Iran to keep the hostages until after the 1980 elections.
    No politicians should be going outside of America for solutions to domestic issues. Not Ted Kennedy, not these 47 senators, not Richard Nixon, none.
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    Re: Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won't Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No politicians should be going outside of America for solutions to domestic issues. Not Ted Kennedy, not these 47 senators, not Richard Nixon, none.
    I agree! I was just giving credit to Reagan and Nixon where credit was due.

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