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Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’ [W:170]

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/world/middleeast/obama-iran-nuclear-talks.html?ref=world

“We have made progress in narrowing the gaps, but those gaps still exist,” Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS News aired on Sunday morning’s “Face the Nation” program. “And I would say that over the next month or so, we’re going to be able to determine whether or not their system is able to accept what would be an extraordinarily reasonable deal, if in fact, as they say, they are only interested in peaceful nuclear programs.”

He said Iran must decide whether it is willing to open up in the way such an agreement would require. “If we have unprecedented transparency in that system, if we are able to verify that in fact they are not developing weapons systems, then there’s a deal to be had,” Mr. Obama said. “But that’s going to require them to accept the kind of verification and constraints on their program that so far, at least, they have not been willing to say yes to.”


Next month or so?
What happens after 10 years?
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

“But that’s going to require them to accept the kind of verification and constraints on their program that so far, at least, they have not been willing to say yes to.”

Seems like Iran is playing Obama like a fiddle.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Μολὼν λαβέ;1064398070 said:
Seems like Iran is playing Obama like a fiddle.

I think the art of negotiations were mastered in the Middle East a few thousand years ago. Problem is Obama doesn't know how to haggle.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Μολὼν λαβέ;1064398070 said:
Seems like Iran is playing Obama like a fiddle.

That's a pretty weird interpretation.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

If you're looking for some sort of long-term, perfect guarantee, I don't know what to tell you. The universe does not work that way.

Well till they can be trusted.
If not, then leave the present sanctions in place, and increase them.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

That's a pretty weird interpretation.

Only if you don't understand what it means.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Μολὼν λαβέ;1064398070 said:
Seems like Iran is playing Obama like a fiddle.

As we do not have the details, all you have is conjecture.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

As we do not have the details, all you have is conjecture.

Or you could use critical thinking skills to form a conclusion.

“But that’s going to require them to accept the kind of verification and constraints on their program that so far, at least, they have not been willing to say yes to.”

How long have the negotiations been ongoing?

What's been accomplished?

What is Iran doing with their Nuclear program while the clock goes tick-tock?
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064398221 said:
Or you could use critical thinking skills to form a conclusion.



How long have the negotiations been ongoing?

What's been accomplished?

What is Iran doing with their Nuclear program while the clock goes tick-tock?

They stopped quite some time ago.
Are you for war or sanctions if the deal falls thru?
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Well till they can be trusted.
If not, then leave the present sanctions in place, and increase them.

You aren't ever going to trust them.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

You aren't ever going to trust them.

Wrong- You have no basis on which to make that observation.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

They stopped quite some time ago.
Are you for war or sanctions if the deal falls thru?

I will go with sanctions until its proven they have nuclear capabilities.

However, do you think sanctions will prevent Iran from attaining nuclear capabilities?

Will sanctions prevent Iran from continuing to be one of the biggest state sponsors of terrorism in the world?

What do you think should happen if Iran gets the "bomb?"
 
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You'd have to be foolish to believe that Iran would only go so far in nuclear technology. Any country in constant wars would want the biggest weapon. If you don't think they're quickly trying to reach a point where a Western Power could threaten them for not following a contract and they could, with all intentions and the arms to back them, tell us to bring it, knowing full well we could be starting an apocalyptic war and thus decide to back down, and use that as a means to keep doing what they deem necessary for the future of their country, you are blind and allowing your heart to interfere with commonsense.

"In spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart..." -Ann frank
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Iran has only two objectives and everything they've done is directed toward those objectives.

1. Be the biggest dog in the Middle East yard.

2. Destroy Israel.

The world has only two choices:

1. Allow them to achieve their objectives.

2. Prevent them from achieving their objectives.

I believe prevention will ultimately come down to waging war with the country, destroying their nuclear program and removing their government from power.

Iran has made their choices...the world must make theirs.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

I don't really care THAT much whether Iran has nukes or not...though I would rather they did not if pressed. But it's no big deal to me.

They will never use them, because if they did either or both Israel/America would obliterate Iran within an hour in retaliation. So why would Iran ever use them (the question is rhetorical)?

Besides, if Israel has them (which despite their silence, they obviously do), I cannot fault Iran for wanting them.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Μολὼν λαβέ;1064398923 said:
I will go with sanctions until its proven they have nuclear capabilities.

However, do you think sanctions will prevent Iran from attaining nuclear capabilities?

Will sanctions prevent Iran from continuing to be one of the biggest state sponsors of terrorism in the world?

What do you think should happen if Iran gets the "bomb?"

Impose sanctions in place if they get - go for the bomb.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

I do not understand why America's right is so focused on Iran. Pakistan is a country which has nuclear weapons and is far less stable than Iran. Is it the relative closeness of Iran to Israel? Is it the result of right-wing Israeli propaganda?

Things may change in a couple weeks if Netanyahu and the Likud lose the upcoming elections. Presently, Likud and the Zionist Union parties are basically tied in polling
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

I do not understand why America's right is so focused on Iran. Pakistan is a country which has nuclear weapons and is far less stable than Iran. Is it the relative closeness of Iran to Israel? Is it the result of right-wing Israeli propaganda?

Things may change in a couple weeks if Netanyahu and the Likud lose the upcoming elections. Presently, Likud and the Zionist Union parties are basically tied in polling

Do you think Pakistan isn't watched at all times?

Most Pakistani Muslims follow the Sunni Doctrine of Islam.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

I don't really care THAT much whether Iran has nukes or not...though I would rather they did not if pressed. But it's no big deal to me.

They will never use them, because if they did either or both Israel/America would obliterate Iran within an hour in retaliation. So why would Iran ever use them (the question is rhetorical)?

Besides, if Israel has them (which despite their silence, they obviously do), I cannot fault Iran for wanting them.


Mornin DA. :2wave: Don't forget the Saud doesn't want Iran with a Nuke.....and said if they get one. The Saud will follow. Which we already know they have a deal with the Pakistani.

Also, then Egypt will certainly get theirs.

Question is.....is a Nuclear Armed ME better or worse for all others.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

I do not understand why America's right is so focused on Iran. Pakistan is a country which has nuclear weapons and is far less stable than Iran. Is it the relative closeness of Iran to Israel? Is it the result of right-wing Israeli propaganda?

Things may change in a couple weeks if Netanyahu and the Likud lose the upcoming elections. Presently, Likud and the Zionist Union parties are basically tied in polling

1. Has Pakistan told the world its overarching desire is to wipe Israel off the map?
2. Pakistan has India to keep an eye on them.
3. Pakistan isn't run by religious zealots.
4. Pakistan is our ally.
5. Which country is a target of terrorists? Pakistan or Iran?
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Do you think Pakistan isn't watched at all times?

Most Pakistani Muslims follow the Sunni Doctrine of Islam.

. . . and the Islamic State terrorists are also Sunni, one of the reasons Iran is supporting the fight against ISIS
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

1. Has Pakistan told the world its overarching desire is to wipe Israel off the map?
2. Pakistan has India to keep an eye on them.
3. Pakistan isn't run by religious zealots.
4. Pakistan is our ally.
5. Which country is a target of terrorists? Pakistan or Iran?

1) Not as a statement issued by the government, but past actions such as Pakistani pilots fighting against Israeli pilots in the Six-Day War and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Then there were agreements between Pakistan and the PLO for training army officers back in the '80s. Pakistani passports have the following words printed in them: This passport valid for all countries of the world except Israel

2) Yes - one reason, Pakistan developed nuclear weapons. Technology which Pakistan then sold to North Korea and other nations.

3) "isn't run by religious zealots" but they are extremely influential within the country

4) Sort of an ally

5) Both nations have been targeted. Much of Pakistan's present problems may be directly attributed to the failures of the early part of the Afghanistan War, along with long-simmering tribal and religious conflicts.
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

FALSE QUOTE


1. Has Pakistan told the world its overarching desire is to wipe Israel off the map?
2. Pakistan has India to keep an eye on them.
3. Pakistan isn't run by religious zealots.
4. Pakistan is our ally.
5. Which country is a target of terrorists? Pakistan or Iran?
____________________

Don't feel badly about being deceived about a deliberately planted misquote:

RE: "1. Has Pakistan told the world its overarching desire is to wipe Israel off the map?"



“Iranian leader did NOT call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map' or anything like it”
The Insider - Iranian leader did NOT call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map' or anything like it
EXCERPT “The rumour that Iran's leader threatened to "wipe Israel off the map" originated directly from officials in the US and Israel.

The very first news articles in which the the "wiped off the map" claim ever appeared cite responses from western officials.

This is because western officials were in fact the source of the mistranslation.”CONTINUED





2., 3., & 4. are simply your opinions

I've been to Iran. It's people are well educated, modern & actually like Americans in spite of the double standard the US Government employs
under AIPAC's pressure

However:

"5.Which country is a target of terrorists? Pakistan or Iran?"


Iran is the target of MEK and other U.S. / Israeli funded terrorist groups & Hit Squads


Remember, Iran has attacked no one in 300+ years & has a secure & thriving Jewish community of 20,000 Jews


However:

You should be concerned about Right Wing Israeli fanatics who DO have a vast nuclear arsenal deployed around the world:

“JEFFREY BLANKFORT: “ISRAEL IS THE MOST IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THE FUTURE OF THE PLANET”
Jeff Blankfort: Israel threat to future of entire planet

“Israeli Professor:’We Could Destroy All European*Capitals’
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/israeli-professor-we-could-destroy-all-european-capitals/

“ISRAEL AIMS ITS NUCLEAR WARHEADS AT EUROPE”
Israel aims its nuclear warheads at Europe

"NUKE GAZA: A WORLD GONE MAD"
NUKE GAZA: A WORLD GONE MAD | Veterans Today

“Dayan's Mad Dog”
THE CUNNING REALIST: Dayan's Mad Dog

"Does Israel Make Us Safer? (Absolutely NOT!)
Northerntruthseeker: Does Israel Make Us Safer? (Absolutely NOT!)


"Israel Threatens The World"
http://www.levi-tarot.co.uk/Israel_threatens.html

”How Israel's Nuclear Arsenal Endangers Us All”
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/09/14/jeff-gates-how-israels-nuclear-arsenal-endangers-us-all/






Thanks
 
Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

FALSE QUOTE


1. Has Pakistan told the world its overarching desire is to wipe Israel off the map?
2. Pakistan has India to keep an eye on them.
3. Pakistan isn't run by religious zealots.
4. Pakistan is our ally.
5. Which country is a target of terrorists? Pakistan or Iran?
____________________

Don't feel badly about being deceived about a deliberately planted misquote:

RE: "1. Has Pakistan told the world its overarching desire is to wipe Israel off the map?"



“Iranian leader did NOT call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map' or anything like it”
The Insider - Iranian leader did NOT call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map' or anything like it
EXCERPT “The rumour that Iran's leader threatened to "wipe Israel off the map" originated directly from officials in the US and Israel.

The very first news articles in which the the "wiped off the map" claim ever appeared cite responses from western officials.

This is because western officials were in fact the source of the mistranslation.”CONTINUED





2., 3., & 4. are simply your opinions

I've been to Iran. It's people are well educated, modern & actually like Americans in spite of the double standard the US Government employs
under AIPAC's pressure

However:

"5.Which country is a target of terrorists? Pakistan or Iran?"


Iran is the target of MEK and other U.S. / Israeli funded terrorist groups & Hit Squads


Remember, Iran has attacked no one in 300+ years & has a secure & thriving Jewish community of 20,000 Jews


However:

You should be concerned about Right Wing Israeli fanatics who DO have a vast nuclear arsenal deployed around the world:

“JEFFREY BLANKFORT: “ISRAEL IS THE MOST IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THE FUTURE OF THE PLANET”
Jeff Blankfort: Israel threat to future of entire planet

“Israeli Professor:’We Could Destroy All European*Capitals’
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/israeli-professor-we-could-destroy-all-european-capitals/

“ISRAEL AIMS ITS NUCLEAR WARHEADS AT EUROPE”
Israel aims its nuclear warheads at Europe

"NUKE GAZA: A WORLD GONE MAD"
NUKE GAZA: A WORLD GONE MAD | Veterans Today

“Dayan's Mad Dog”
THE CUNNING REALIST: Dayan's Mad Dog

"Does Israel Make Us Safer? (Absolutely NOT!)
Northerntruthseeker: Does Israel Make Us Safer? (Absolutely NOT!)


"Israel Threatens The World"
http://www.levi-tarot.co.uk/Israel_threatens.html

”How Israel's Nuclear Arsenal Endangers Us All”
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/09/14/jeff-gates-how-israels-nuclear-arsenal-endangers-us-all/






Thanks
 
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