Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’ [W:170]

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

mbig said:

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Hey ..
You got EVERY Conspiracy/Hate/Arabist site on the Internet into Two posts on ONE Page!
Globalresearch', americanfreepress, alBawaba, counterLunch, wrmea, and several even Further off the deep end.... LOFL!
Marine Baracks, USS Cole, etc, all Mossad 'False Flags'!

Take it to the CONSPIRACY Section or back to Ummah.bomb

What a JOKE your posts are. EVERY one an Wacky Arabist misquote calamity and OFF Topic as well.
I-P discussions are strictly confined to the M-E/I-P Section.

If you'd ever like to debate ANY I-P topic, there's a Section for it, and I'd be glad to destroy you

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B'smith said:

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Welcome to the internet
They're actually called "Independent Media" and are more equitable than your tightly censored Major Media Monopoly
Bring your Hasbara Handbook & "destroy" away

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As you can tell, I AM Already familiar with the Internet and it's websites.
I have been debating the M-E/I-P topic for 15 years (pre-'Hasbara') and probably 100 other message boards. (Arab and Hate sites among them)
I've seen it all, and am familiar with it All.

Your sites are LOW BROW GARBAGE.
There ARE Plenty of more scholarly pro-Palestinian websites/sources, and they probably Outnumber the pro-Israel ones.
In fact, the best Case for 'palestine' has been made by Israeli Leftist scholars "New Historians" like Benny Morris, Pappe, etc.

In your "hello" string you say you've been 'studying' the M-E for years, yet all your sources are Mickey Mouse Conspiracy sites.
Very disappointing.
Also, the way you 'Link Dump' them/your repertoire, at the drop of a hat, in large bunches, shows a pre-loaded 'fervor' totally uncalled for by the post you're 'responding' to.

I have app 2500 of my 8100 posts and String Starts in the ME-/I-P section.
Most are obviously WAY over your head, but by all means, Have at them.
I see you Have Not made a single post there,
http://www.debatepolitics.com/israel-palestine/
despite stealthily posting mostly on that topic Elsewhere.

Perhaps you read the rules for posting there, and realize just how Off the wall your material is.

Oh, one more thing...
Assuming any/all generally Pro-Israel posters are 'Hasbara'/working for the Israeli govt, is also Conspiracyst and Bigoted, but consistent with everything else you've Blighted the board with so far.
Can't wait for more of your "independent Media", like Rense, infowars, WhatReallyHappened, PrisonPlanet, etc.

The M-E/I-P section still awaits your arrival despite you being here a Month and that being your claimed specialty!
http://www.debatepolitics.com/come-and-say-hi/217697-hello.html#post1064354457


Do you imagine Dumping Dozens of Conspiracy websites in each post, and calling everyone on the other side "Hasbara" is "civility"?

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

JANFU said:

My opinion has been long term, longer than 10 years and intrusive inspections
Some may want war. And it is normally US assets that are used. Appears if that happens, the Saudi's, Jordan, Egypt and others get the "was not us card".

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Well Right now.....the Saud don't seem to have much faith in us. So they have informed others. What Iran is allowed to do. Applies to them too.

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MMC said:

Well Right now.....the Saud don't seem to have much faith in us. So they have informed others. What Iran is allowed to do. Applies to them too.

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If it is a bad deal, well Congress will have more then enough votes to implement sanctions and overridden a veto.
Reading an article today where Clapper stated 1 year breakout would not provide enough time to implement sanctions. UN, Veto, all the other impediments that go with it.

Iran can now build and deliver nukes, US intel reports | The Times of Israel

In the “US Intelligence Worldwide Threat Assessment,” delivered to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Clapper reported that Tehran has made significant advances recently in its nuclear program to the point where it could produce and deliver nuclear bombs should it be so inclined.

“Tehran has made technical progress in a number of areas — including uranium enrichment, nuclear reactors, and ballistic missiles — from which it could draw if it decided to build missile-deliverable nuclear weapons,” Clapper wrote. “These technical advancements strengthen our assessment that Iran has the scientific, technical, and industrial capacity to eventually produce nuclear weapons. This makes the central issue its political will to do so.”

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Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

DA60 said:

It is none of America's business if Iran wants to build nuclear weapons.

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It is when Iran's Supreme Leader is calling for "Death To America".

And, I have said it umpteen times. Even if Iran had nukes, they would NEVER use them first against America or Israel as it would mean their immediate destruction.

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You can say it another umpteen times but, as we have seen many times over the years, Islamic fanatics have no compunction about committing suicide, or encouraging others to die for their cause.

This whole 'stop Iran from getting nukes' nonsense is just the American ignorant masses being paranoid because the media/politicians they watch tells them to be.

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I'll agree if you're referring to American Leftists but wouldn't look to any Islamic country for serious signs of sophisticated intelligence.

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

JANFU said:

If it is a bad deal, well Congress will have more then enough votes to implement sanctions and overridden a veto.
Reading an article today where Clapper stated 1 year breakout would not provide enough time to implement sanctions. UN, Veto, all the other impediments that go with it.

Iran can now build and deliver nukes, US intel reports | The Times of Israel

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Well Brennan was on Fox News Sunday.....when asked about the Hidden facility in Tehran or just outside of it, he wouldn't give any answer. Other than to say that he is confident that we know where their locations are. Which my point is.....if none has inspected nor even seen the place. Then how can we get an accurate report from the AEIA.

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

JANFU said:

Sanctions are and should be suspended over time. Any impediment by Iran of inspections by the IAEA would also be a deal breaker. Inspections should be intrusive. Withholding information or denying access sanctions back in place.
They have been stating for some time that they want all sanctions lifted with a signed deal.
Suspension of sanctions would enable their implementation quickly in the event Iran does not adhere to a deal.

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I would also like to see Iran post a penalty bond, a few billion that forfeits if they refuse access. Re-instituting sanctions would take too long to have an affect

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Fearandloathing said:

I would also like to see Iran post a penalty bond, a few billion that forfeits if they refuse access. Re-instituting sanctions would take too long to have an affect

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Yeah, and next time they are caught trying to obtain parts they aren't suppose to have.....none should sit on such a complaint. Like we did.

It should be brought out into the Open and Iran Humiliated when they come with their excuses again.

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

DA60 said:

It is none of America's business if Iran wants to build nuclear weapons.

Just like the reverse is true.


And, I have said it umpteen times. Even if Iran had nukes, they would NEVER use them first against America or Israel as it would mean their immediate destruction.

This whole 'stop Iran from getting nukes' nonsense is just the American ignorant masses being paranoid because the media/politicians they watch tells them to be.

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Wait.


Is Iran building nukes or not?

If not, why is Obama negotiating with them? If not, why were sanctions leveled against them in the first place. And what can you show us that counters ten years of claims that they are pursuing nukes held by a majority of interested countries, including all of NATO?

If they are, then why the objections? If they are, why are you not interested in having an enforceable deal? if so, why are you not at all concerned those nukes won't be used against allies, and US interests?

Pick one side of the fence, OK? Only Obama is castrated enough to be able to straddle...

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MMC said:

Yeah, and next time they are caught trying to obtain parts they aren't suppose to have.....none should sit on such a complaint. Like we did.

It should be brought out into the Open and Iran Humiliated when they come with their excuses again.

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How could they be caught with parts when they aren't building a reactor?

I am so confused. The left says they aren't, everyone else says they are, and then they say IF they are, so what, it is none of America's interest.

I wonder why US foreign policy is so misunderstood?

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Fearandloathing said:

I would also like to see Iran post a penalty bond, a few billion that forfeits if they refuse access. Re-instituting sanctions would take too long to have an affect

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Lifting sanctions, suspending them lifts them.
Mind you people much smarter than I have that point eliminated by this stage.

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Fearandloathing said:

How could they be caught with parts when they aren't building a reactor?

I am so confused. The left says they aren't, everyone else says they are, and then they say IF they are, so what, it is none of America's interest.

I wonder why US foreign policy is so misunderstood?

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Good question.....although it is Team BO that said they caught them. So it could have been their usual.....just a lie. Which might explain why they didn't go thru with filing the complaint.

Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

Fearandloathing said:

Wait.


Is Iran building nukes or not?

If not, why is Obama negotiating with them? If not, why were sanctions leveled against them in the first place. And what can you show us that counters ten years of claims that they are pursuing nukes held by a majority of interested countries, including all of NATO?

If they are, then why the objections? If they are, why are you not interested in having an enforceable deal? if so, why are you not at all concerned those nukes won't be used against allies, and US interests?

Pick one side of the fence, OK? Only Obama is castrated enough to be able to straddle...

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The left are essentially trying to have it both ways-but its only to conceal how they feel.
They dont think the US is in any position to tell other nations if they can have nukes-many WANT them to have nukes.
But they can't appear too fond of that view-so they hide behind peace talks they know wont work in order to not come across as appeasing Iran.

A mistake many make is assuming that the left is being up front about this. As with everything else, they generally aren't.