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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Do you prefer to bomb them?
    I prefer weapon inspectors verifying that they are not continuing to progress towards a bomb.

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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I prefer weapon inspectors verifying that they are not continuing to progress towards a bomb.
    That is the key to the deal- Intrusive inspections. It will take many decades before reasonable trust is a building block- or longer. Depends upon Iran's behavior with terror groups.
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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    FALSE QUOTE



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    RE: "1. Has Pakistan told the world its overarching desire is to wipe Israel off the map?"



    “Iranian leader did NOT call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map' or anything like it”
    The Insider - Iranian leader did NOT call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map' or anything like it
    EXCERPT “The rumour that Iran's leader threatened to "wipe Israel off the map" originated directly from officials in the US and Israel.

    The very first news articles in which the the "wiped off the map" claim ever appeared cite responses from western officials.

    This is because western officials were in fact the source of the mistranslation.”CONTINUED
    shrug...

    It's okay...you can use your semantic games...but the reality is that Iran wants to remove Israel. That's why they are supporting the terrorist organization that attack Israel on a regular basis.

    2., 3., & 4. are simply your opinions

    I've been to Iran. It's people are well educated, modern & actually like Americans in spite of the double standard the US Government employs
    under AIPAC's pressure
    Numbers 2, 3 and 4 are not simply my opinions...they are facts...reality. And, we are not talking about the Iranian people here...but about their government.

    However:

    "5.Which country is a target of terrorists? Pakistan or Iran?"


    Iran is the target of MEK and other U.S. / Israeli funded terrorist groups & Hit Squads


    Remember, Iran has attacked no one in 300+ years & has a secure & thriving Jewish community of 20,000 Jews
    The MEK? US/Israeli funded terrorists? LOL!! Do you seriously consider all that comparable to the Taliban? Al Qaeda? That's who Pakistan has to contend with and those groups are supported by Iran.

    ~snipped the anti-israeli balderdash~

    Thanks[/QUOTE]

    Frankly, all your pro-Iranian propaganda is just that...propaganda. Looks like you bought into it.

    So it goes.
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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    1) Not as a statement issued by the government, but past actions such as Pakistani pilots fighting against Israeli pilots in the Six-Day War and the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Then there were agreements between Pakistan and the PLO for training army officers back in the '80s. Pakistani passports have the following words printed in them: This passport valid for all countries of the world except Israel

    2) Yes - one reason, Pakistan developed nuclear weapons. Technology which Pakistan then sold to North Korea and other nations.

    3) "isn't run by religious zealots" but they are extremely influential within the country

    4) Sort of an ally

    5) Both nations have been targeted. Much of Pakistan's present problems may be directly attributed to the failures of the early part of the Afghanistan War, along with long-simmering tribal and religious conflicts.
    I didn't say Pakistan is a perfect country. I just don't consider it comparable, in terms of being a danger to the Middle East, to Iran.
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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    shrug...

    It's okay...you can use your semantic games...but the reality is that Iran wants to remove Israel. That's why they are supporting the terrorist organization that attack Israel on a regular basis.



    Numbers 2, 3 and 4 are not simply my opinions...they are facts...reality. And, we are not talking about the Iranian people here...but about their government.



    The MEK? US/Israeli funded terrorists? LOL!! Do you seriously consider all that comparable to the Taliban? Al Qaeda? That's who Pakistan has to contend with and those groups are supported by Iran.

    ~snipped the anti-israeli balderdash~

    Thanks
    Frankly, all your pro-Iranian propaganda is just that...propaganda. Looks like you bought into it.

    So it goes.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I didn't say Pakistan is a perfect country. I just don't consider it comparable, in terms of being a danger to the Middle East, to Iran.
    Ask yourself what threat they are to India and Afghanistan?

    Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan, says Musharraf | World news | The Guardian
    In an interview to be aired on CBS television this weekend Pakistan's president, General Pervez Musharraf, said the threat was delivered by the assistant secretary of state, Richard Armitage, in conversations with Pakistan's intelligence director.

    "The intelligence director told me that (Mr Armitage) said, 'Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age'," Gen Musharraf was quoted as saying. The revelation that the US used extreme pressure to secure Pakistan's cooperation in the war on terror arrived at a time of renewed unease in the US about its frontline ally.
    Then the rebuttal
    Armitage denies threatening Pakistan - World news - South and Central Asia | NBC News

    Musharraf, in an interview with CBS News’ magazine show “60 Minutes,” to air on Sunday, said Armitage told Ahmad that without cooperation: “Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age."

    Armitage told NBC the conversation was a “strong, factual” exchange, but said he made no military threats. He said he told Ahmad “Pakistan would need to be with us or against us. For Americans, this was seen as black or white.”
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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    shrug...

    It's okay...you can use your semantic games...but the reality is that Iran wants to remove Israel. That's why they are supporting the terrorist organization that attack Israel on a regular basis.



    Numbers 2, 3 and 4 are not simply my opinions...they are facts...reality. And, we are not talking about the Iranian people here...but about their government.



    The MEK? US/Israeli funded terrorists? LOL!! Do you seriously consider all that comparable to the Taliban? Al Qaeda? That's who Pakistan has to contend with and those groups are supported by Iran.

    ~snipped the anti-israeli balderdash~

    Thanks
    Frankly, all your pro-Iranian propaganda is just that...propaganda. Looks like you bought into it.

    So it goes.[/QUOTE]
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    Denying it is “just a matter of semantics”



    - - - - - - - - - - - -



    That is an example of how absurd your claim is that Ahmadinejad said he/Iran was “going to wipe Israel from the face of the earth”



    It’s not “a matter of semantics” its a simple fact. Ahmadinejad’s speech was deliberately mistranslated to engender anti Iranian sentiment & pro War Fever in people who otherwise know nothing about Iran, its history & aggressive US - Israeli double standard. The mistranslation was later corrected by BBC.....look it up.





    . . . . . . . .Re: 2 , 3, & 4, If they are facts, you should be able to support them with credible documentation





    . . . . . . .
    Re: You asked: “5.Which country is a target of terrorists? Pakistan or Iran?" & I simply answered.

    Just because you haven’t heard of MEK & U.S. - Israeli Hit Squads, Terrorists & the extent of the carnage they inflict on the Iranian people doesn’t mean that they are as significant to Iranians as a.Q. & Taliban to the West.

    The US & Israel have also supported a.Q. factions when it served their ends.



    Just as Iran condemned a.Q. after 9/ll, Iranian support of a.Q. is not as solid as you have been led to believe:

    For Example:


    “Iran And Al Qaeda Connected? The History Behind A Complex Relationship”
    Iran And Al Qaeda Connected? The History Behind A Complex Relationship

    EXCERPT “ Q: Are Iran and al-Qaida allies?
    A: Relations have always been rocky. Iran has been at odds with al-Qaida on many fronts. A fundamental divide is over the two main branches of Islam. Iran is mostly Shiite. Al-Qaida is nearly exclusively Sunni-led.” CONTINUED


    "Terrorism", like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder. Hezbollah & Hamas are only regarded as "Terrorist Groups" in the US, Israel and a handful of other countries. Hezbollah is considered a political group in the UK & its repeated rebuilding of homes, schools, hospitals, power plants in Lebanon after murderous Israeli forays has endeared it to civilian victims of "State Terrorism"

    For Example:
    “HIZBULLAH, MORE THAN A ‘TERRORIST ORGANISATION”
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    EXCERPT "The movement is at once a religious organization, an aid organization, a political party, and a paramilitary force. This makes it hard for governments to know how to categorize and confront it."CONTINUED

    The whole notion of "Terrorist Groups" is a subjective topic. Killing civilians while wearing a uniform of via F-16s & High-Tech weaponry leaves them just as dead & badly mutilated as a car bomb etc.



    . . . . . . . .
    Re: “~snipped the anti-israeli balderdash~”



    Again, just because you are unaware of threats to the US posed by elements within the Israeli government doesn’t mean that they are not considered significant by loyal Americans and US Intelligence.

    “An 82-page analysis concludes that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests”
    An 82-page analysis concludes that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests | From the Trenches World Report



    My criticism of those threatening Israeli elements is hardly “anti Israel”



    . . . . . . . . .

    Re: “Frankly, all your pro-Iranian propaganda is just that...propaganda. Looks like you bought into it.”




    Because I support an equitable US Foreign Policy for a country to which I’ve been & oppose the killing of people some of whom I’ve met hardly makes me a victim of “pro-Iranian propaganda.




    On the other hand, your hatred of a country to which you’ve never been and enmity toward people whom you’ve never met is a far greater indicator of self destructive gullibility.






    Thanks for your time

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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Ask yourself what threat they are to India and Afghanistan?

    Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan, says Musharraf | World news | The Guardian

    Then the rebuttal
    Armitage denies threatening Pakistan - World news - South and Central Asia | NBC News

    Musharraf, in an interview with CBS News’ magazine show “60 Minutes,” to air on Sunday, said Armitage told Ahmad that without cooperation: “Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the Stone Age."

    Armitage told NBC the conversation was a “strong, factual” exchange, but said he made no military threats. He said he told Ahmad “Pakistan would need to be with us or against us. For Americans, this was seen as black or white.”
    I'm not the one who brought Pakistan into the conversation so you'd be better served by talking to the one who did. (maybe in another thread since this one is about Iran)
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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    Thanks for your time
    Your method of posting and the fact that you screwed up your quote of my post makes it hard for me to address your post, so I'll try to respond without showing your actual words...you can refer back to your own post if you get confused.

    1. Do you deny that the Iranian government wishes to destroy Israel?

    2. Here are links that show that my points 2,3 and 4 are facts:

    2.) Indo-Pakistani wars and conflicts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Of particular importance considering the topic of this thread is the section on those country's nuclear arms race.

    3.) Government of Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    4.) Pakistan


    3. I won't get into a pissing contest on which country is a bigger victim of terrorists. Do you deny that the Iranian government supports terrorists throughout the Middle East?

    4. Alliances shift with world events, just as those in control of countries shift. But to say that the US supports Al Qaeda is ridiculous.

    5. You still don't understand...or you refuse to understand...I don't hate Iran or its people, so don't apply characteristics to me that I have not expressed. I will express that I do not like the Iranian government, their objective to obtain nuclear weapons or their actions in supporting terrorists throughout the Middle East.
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    Re: Obama Says Nuclear Deal Offered to Iran Is ‘Extraordinarily Reasonable’

    This paranoia over Iran's nukes is ridiculous.

    The idea that the leaders of Iran are so insane and suicidal that the second they get nukes they will use them on Israel WHICH they know FULL WELL will immediately result in Israel wiping them off the map with their nuclear-tipped MRBM's is ludicrous.
    There have been TONS of wacko leaders of countries over the centuries. How many of them committed suicide when their position was not under threat....just for the heck of it? Not many. Yet the West is so full of sheep that they are buying this nonsensical viewpoint. I mean think people...why would leaders spend all that energy desperately trying to attain power only to immediately throw it away in a murder suicide? That makes NO SENSE.
    The last two leaders of North Korea are/were clearly loco...and did either one of them launch nukes against the South knowing they would be obliterated by American retaliation? NO.
    And for the last time people, the 'Wipe Israel off the map' reference was simply a quote from a previous leader.
    Jeez...you people are like sheep. No matter how ridiculous the idea, if someone throws the word 'patriotic' on the end of it, you people buy it hook, line and sinker.

    No nuclear power has ever used them (other then America, oddly enough)...and please don't tell me every Soviet leader was completely sane. And they did not end the world.Man...you don't even know who will be in power when Iran does get nukes (if they got them) and you automatically assume that they will nuke Israel right away. It's silly and illogical.

    Israel has nukes...anyone that denies it is an ignoramus on the subject. Hundreds of them. Iran and Israel are none to happy with each other. Were you the leader of Iran - would you not want nukes if your enemy had them? Duh.

    Iran has attacked NO ONE in decades...if ever since the Shah was deposed (Iraq attacked them to start the Iran-Iraq war). Yes, they are no saints internationally...far from it. But that is a gigantic stretch to nuking neighbors. And, btw, America bombs countries, overthrows governments, props up cruel regimes (like Saudi Arabia) kills hundreds of innocent civilians and locks people up who are innocent without trial for over a decade. The latter are no saints either.


    I would rather neither Israel nor Iran had nukes. But that ain't gonna happen. And I would still rather Iran did not have them. But this paranoia about Iran getting them is ridiculous. If they get them, it is just another power that has them. And btw, you better get used to it. Because if you think Iran is the last country that gets nukes that you do not like...forget it.


    Additionally, the clowns in Washington that are calling a deal with Iran on nukes bad even before they se it are just comically stupid. How on Earth can you judge a deal before you even see it?


    I am no fan of Obama as POTUS. But I think he is - all things considered - taking the sensible course of action. And why don't you people stop foaming at the mouth and at LEAST wait until you see the agreement before you send your partisan glands into overdrive and start knocking it?

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