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    Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Socialism requires force, and when socialism implodes... as it always does (just a matter of time) things get really ugly and as we see evolves to some of the worst aspects of the USSR with not just the state with an iron fist, but with the state employing people to spy on each other.

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    PARIS — Despite the European accord last month to extend a financial lifeline to Greece, Athens is rapidly running out of cash.
    So it is scrambling to find new, even radical ways to fill the shortfall — including a proposal to recruit citizens and tourists to spy on suspected tax evaders.

    That includes a proposal to enlist “casual” tax spies — tourists, students, housekeepers and other nonprofessional inspectors — “to pose, after some basic training, as customers, on behalf of the tax authorities, while wired for sound and video,”...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/09/bu...shortfall.html
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Socialism requires force, and when socialism implodes... as it always does (just a matter of time) things get really ugly and as we see evolves to some of the worst aspects of the USSR with not just the state with an iron fist, but with the state employing people to spy on each other.

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    Has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. Tax evasion in Greece is a national sport and has been since the Ottomans were in charge. It was one of the main ways to "stick it to the Ottomans" so to say. Tax evasion is the reason Greece got into the situation they are in.
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. Tax evasion in Greece is a national sport and has been since the Ottomans were in charge. It was one of the main ways to "stick it to the Ottomans" so to say. Tax evasion is the reason Greece got into the situation they are in.
    Really? I thought it was because 80% of Greeces economy was the services sector. Greece gets 47% of GDP in tax revenue, the US only gets 20%, seems like even with tax dodgers they have much more than is required.

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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Socialism requires force, and when socialism implodes... as it always does (just a matter of time) things get really ugly and as we see evolves to some of the worst aspects of the USSR with not just the state with an iron fist, but with the state employing people to spy on each other.

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    Employing foreigners to identify tax fraud of the domestic citizens is not unheard of. Germany bribed a number of Swiss citizens to in essence commit industrial espionage by copying computer data from which the German administration extracted infoinformation of unpaid taxes. This was done without legal mandate in a number of cases.

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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    If the Greek government gives me free first class tickets to Greece and pays for my hotel vouchers I will gladly spy for them.

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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Really? I thought it was because 80% of Greeces economy was the services sector. Greece gets 47% of GDP in tax revenue, the US only gets 20%, seems like even with tax dodgers they have much more than is required.
    No idea where the hell you got those numbers. And Tax revenue in % of GDP is a stupid number and your numbers are wrong. Tax evasion is a massive problem in the world, and in Europe the amount is over 1 trillion euros per year according to the EU.

    Tax evasion costs European Union 'one trillion Euros a year' | World | News | Daily Express

    "Let’s put that into some perspective: one trillion euros is nearly double the 2012 combined annual budget deficit of all the Member States."
    Mr Barroso added: "It is more than the total spent on health across the EU in 2008.
    And one of the worst places is Greece.

    Two Out of Three Greeks Commits Tax Evasion | GreekReporter.com

    Plus the US service sector is 80% of the US economy and actually higher than Greeces (slightly).
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No idea where the hell you got those numbers. And Tax revenue in % of GDP is a stupid number and your numbers are wrong.
    You only think it is a stupid number because of how morally bankrupt it make socialism look

    and yes my numbers are correct



    http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documen...0-d82f81bc92d7

    Tax evasion is a massive problem in the world, and in Europe the amount is over 1 trillion euros per year according to the EU.

    Tax evasion costs European Union 'one trillion Euros a year' | World | News | Daily Express
    You have confused a symptom with a problem. The problem is that taxes are to high, if they wernt so high there would be less tax dodgers.

    Plus the US service sector is 80% of the US economy and actually higher than Greeces (slightly).
    except the US services mostly cater to the US while the Greek services mostly cater to non-Greeks

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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Socialism requires force, and when socialism implodes... as it always does (just a matter of time) things get really ugly and as we see evolves to some of the worst aspects of the USSR with not just the state with an iron fist, but with the state employing people to spy on each other.

    Socialism... What a gift.
    So a country cannot pay its bills because of people too cheap to pay their taxes....sounds like a place close to home
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. Tax evasion in Greece is a national sport and has been since the Ottomans were in charge. It was one of the main ways to "stick it to the Ottomans" so to say. Tax evasion is the reason Greece got into the situation they are in.
    Educate thyself:

    Greece Used to Be an Economic Miracle, Then the Socialists Got in - Hit & Run : Reason.com
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Employing foreigners to identify tax fraud of the domestic citizens is not unheard of. Germany bribed a number of Swiss citizens to in essence commit industrial espionage by copying computer data from which the German administration extracted infoinformation of unpaid taxes. This was done without legal mandate in a number of cases.
    They didn't bribe... they sold stolen info to the Germans.
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