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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    So a country cannot pay its bills because of people too cheap to pay their taxes....sounds like a place close to home
    The country is in trouble because they spent too much... have to much debt from socialist schemes... yep... sounds like many dimwitted western countries
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    The country is in trouble because they spent too much... have to much debt from socialist schemes... yep... sounds like many dimwitted western countries
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Socialism requires force, and when socialism implodes... as it always does (just a matter of time) things get really ugly and as we see evolves to some of the worst aspects of the USSR with not just the state with an iron fist, but with the state employing people to spy on each other.

    Socialism... What a gift.
    Having people pay their taxes and follow the law is socialism? I agree that this seems like a creepy way to try and enforce the tax code but with the endemic problems Greece has faced with tax collection maybe it's warranted.

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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. Tax evasion in Greece is a national sport and has been since the Ottomans were in charge. It was one of the main ways to "stick it to the Ottomans" so to say. Tax evasion is the reason Greece got into the situation they are in.
    I would guess that tax evasion is less of a problem in Greece than the spending of more money than you are receiving.

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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I would guess that tax evasion is less of a problem in Greece than the spending of more money than you are receiving.
    Not if that tax evasion was the reason for you spending more money than you were receiving. If you budget 100 dollars income, but only get 80 because someone did not pay your full amount.. whos fault is that?
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    You only think it is a stupid number because of how morally bankrupt it make socialism look
    No because it is a stupid number.

    and yes my numbers are correct
    Are they?

    Well take a look at the numbers again. Let me give you a hint.. when something is % of GDP.. remember to take any changes in GDP into account. That is why the numbers are silly and useless.

    You have confused a symptom with a problem. The problem is that taxes are to high, if they wernt so high there would be less tax dodgers.
    Typical right wing bull****. The problem is that the Greeks are not paying their taxes pure and simple. Stop denying the freaking obvious.

    Tax evasion in Greece: In flagrante | The Economist

    The trio use a novel technique to calculate levels of tax evasion in Greece. The authors look at a dataset from a large Greek bank, which contains information on individual borrowers’ credit applications between 2003 and 2010. Taken at face value, the data for self-employed borrowers make no sense. On average, self-employed Greeks spend 82% of their monthly reported income—ie, the amount they declare to the tax office—on servicing debt payments. Some professions, like lawyers and doctors, appear to spend more than 100% of their income on debt servicing.

    That cannot be right: a rough rule of thumb is that a third of income should go on debt payments. Banks would not lend at these steepling debt-to-income ratios. Weirder still, the delinquency rates on loans do not seem to vary in line with these ratios: self-employed Greek doctors are both the most indebted profession and the one with the lowest delinquency probabilities.
    Say what... how can that be?

    The explanation, confirmed by bankers in statements to the authors, is that Greek banks have adapted their credit models to adjust borrowers’ reported incomes up to a best guess of their actual incomes. Lenders assume that self-employed borrowers in certain occupations are under-reporting, in other words, and plug this assumption into their decision-making processes. Tax evasion is less an under-the-radar activity, more a social norm.
    Cool so Greeks just make up their income as they go when reporting to the Greek IRS.. can you do that in the US?

    except the US services mostly cater to the US while the Greek services mostly cater to non-Greeks
    Eh what? what on earth are you talking about?
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not if that tax evasion was the reason for you spending more money than you were receiving. If you budget 100 dollars income, but only get 80 because someone did not pay your full amount.. whos fault is that?
    I'd place the blame on the person who optimistly thought that they were going to get 100 dollars when history indicated that they would most likely get 80 dollars.

    Socialism works backwards from reality. If I have an income of 100 dollars, then I will budget my expenses based on that income, and I will decide which of my desires have the highest priority and eliminate the lowest priority expenses. Socialism on the other hand does the opposite. It never occurs to a socialist that something can be done without.

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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Having people pay their taxes and follow the law is socialism?
    Socialism has created their problems.

    Then you have another element of, and one of the worse of Socialism... turning everyday citizens into spies for the state. Just like the USSR.

    I agree that this seems like a creepy way to try and enforce the tax code but with the endemic problems Greece has faced with tax collection maybe it's warranted.
    Like I said... the ugliness of socialism exposes itself when it starts to implode. Turning people into spies for the state. The IRS-KGB.
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not if that tax evasion was the reason for you spending more money than you were receiving. If you budget 100 dollars income, but only get 80 because someone did not pay your full amount.. whos fault is that?
    You only spend what you take in... you don't spend based on fantasy income. You see... that's the beauty of Limited Government and individual responsibility instead of the state being Mommy Dearest... mistakes are small.

    America's Socialists are just as guilty of this idiocy. It explains how we have 17TRILLION in debt and 60TRILLION in unfunded liabilities.
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    Re: Greece Proposes Using Tourists as Tax Spies to Fill Shortfall

    The Greek people only realized 10% of the funds borrowed from the IMF the rest went to the banks. They are broke. IMF here is how it works. When you loan money to banksters and it gets stolen dont go crying for the people who didnt get it to pay you back with their islands, water system, pentions, Loto program and bus passes. You made a bad loan EAT IT!

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