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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Didn't our president say he was born because of Selma or something equally stupid? I like how the article calls him "America's first black president" too. Did I miss a news story where they discovered that his mother was not white, but really black?
    The roots for his presidency, for his ability to become president were born at Selma. Without the equal rights movement born in Selma, Obama could never have become president.

    And Obama is black, even if his mother was white. He is of mixed race but I would think that if Obama would walk somewhere (and not known as president) he too would be stopped for the offense of walking while black (as some black people still are).
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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It also should be noted that President Obama is not the prodigy of slaves nor of any American bigotry whatsoever. He is not of that history historically or personally. His ancestors did NOT suffer under slavery, bigotry and oppression, nor did any of them fight against.

    It is unfortunate that the first American "black" president is not the prodigy of American slaves or sharecroppers. Not the prodigy of those who suffered racial segregation nor denied voting rights, civil rights or human rights. Instead, Obama is a cousin of Dick Cheney (literally) and Sarah Palin, with a Kenya family heritage likely connected to the slave trade itself.

    Yes, the President should be there, but he should receive NO credit NOR his parents. Rather, it should be noted that HE benefited from the efforts of OTHERS.
    In fairness, his wife and children are prodigy of the slave and historically oppressed class. Not that I believe that to be relevant here in the 21st century. It's time to move on, IMO.

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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Find a topic and you can find an Obama lie on the topic.

    In 2007, Obama said:

    "What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation...This young man named Barack Obama...came over to this country. He met this woman...(who) had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided...it might...be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama... So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama. I'm here because somebody marched."

    Barack Obama was addressed a group in Selma, AL commemorating the 1965 voting rights march. He credited the event with giving his parents the idea that they could have a child. The result was him--Barack Obama, Child of Destiny.

    The problem is he was born in 1961 - and was already 4 years old. "What lie can I tell to this group?" is just how Obama thinks. And he became president out of it. Unquestionably the most successful liar in the world, literally.
    "Senator Obama might be considered guilty of engaging in little pandering here by trying to imply a direct line between the 1965 Selma, Alabama, marches and his personal background (since he was speaking in Selma at the time).

    However, the tenor of his speech was how the overall growth and progress of the Civil Rights movement affected the outlook of blacks (including his family), both in the U.S. and abroad. That movement did not start with the 1965 marches in Selma; it was a process that began and grew across the years, including among its landmark events the 1955-56 bus boycott in Montgomery (which occurred several years before Barack Obama was born, and before his father left Africa for the U.S.) and the 1963 anti-segregation protests in Birmingham all of which (along with the Selma marches) took place in Alabama, and all of which were referenced by Senator Obama in his speech that day:
    Yet something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, "Ripples of hope all around the world." Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children. When men who had PhD's decided that's enough and we're going to stand up for our dignity. That sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

    What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation.


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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It also should be noted that President Obama is not the prodigy of slaves nor of any American bigotry whatsoever. He is not of that history historically or personally. His ancestors did NOT suffer under slavery, bigotry and oppression, nor did any of them fight against.
    Ahem...
    Ancestry.com Discovers President Obama Related to First Documented Slave in America

    Research Connects First African-American President to First African Slave in the American Colonies

    Ancestry | Press Releases

    And your comment about you somehow magically knowing if ancestors didn't suffer under "bigotry and oppression, nor did any of them fight against" is pretty dumb.

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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    I'm not sure why February is Black History Month, but this is what I think of as relevant and important to commemorate and note when I think of Black History. Perhaps March would be a better month, so the history of this event and what led to it can be carried forward and discussed.

    To those who question if President Obama is black because he has a white mother, that's just asinine in my view. Your entire ancestry is part of who you are and your heritage. My family traces back to English, Irish and French - perhaps why we fight so much - but all of it is part of all of us. It's petty to claim Obama isn't the first black President.

    Perhaps the people in Ferguson, Missouri could take a cue from the people who marched to Selma, Alabama 50 years ago, in peace and harmony, with love in their hearts and no weapons in their hands or hate on their agenda. They might find some compromise and solutions if they did.
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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Amazing story and a great anniversary. I'm not American but I would be proud of such of of event, its what makes you great and even more amazing that a black president can enjoy it. Kudos America.
    It depends on how it's celebrated. If it is politicized and suggestive that nothing has changed since that original march, then it's harmful. If it is a celebration of the original movement to gain equality and of how far we have come, then it is wonderful. Unfortunately there are too many activists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who make a living keeping perceived racism alive.

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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Let me rephrase that last part "They'd be more pissed at black on black crime then throwing a fit when a thug get's shot for attacking a cop." That's the part that boggles my mind. "Hey 500 blacks were killed in three cities by other blacks, but this kid... he robbed a place and then punched a cop and got shot, let's protest THAT...

    Seriously.
    Yeah, because one totally has anything to do with the other. Oh yeah and you can't be against both of those things, it's an either/or situation.
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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yeah, because one totally has anything to do with the other. Oh yeah and you can't be against both of those things, it's an either/or situation.
    Call me when there are marches and protest of black on black crime, call me when we hear the people of Chicago are rioting over a gangland shooting.

    Oh, wait... you'll never call....

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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Call me when there are marches and protest of black on black crime, call me when we hear the people of Chicago are rioting over a gangland shooting.

    Oh, wait... you'll never call....
    Oh wait, I can because there are. There just isn't much if any media coverage. It's the same thing that goes with the argument "Why don't Muslims condemn extremist violence?" They do, it's just that the media doesn't make a big hullabullo about it.
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    Re: Obama and Others at Selma

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Oh wait, I can because there are. There just isn't much if any media coverage. It's the same thing that goes with the argument "Why don't Muslims condemn extremist violence?" They do, it's just that the media doesn't make a big hullabullo about it.
    Could you find us some links on this? When was the last major protest against black on black killings?

    Cause I did a google on protesters march against black on black crime and got a page full of anticop protests... but not a single link to what I searched.

    It's amusing watching you flail here, do go on.

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