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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

You argue as if there were one set of public accommodation laws. Nonsense.

Whether or not women have a right to change in a public locker room without men present is up to the people of a particular state or municipality to decide for themselves.

Then provide the exact law that says people can't enter certain locker rooms or restrooms here. For this particular municipality.
 
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You are certainly welcome to start or join a movement to do away with the many national and state laws and regulations that require separate facilities for men and women, but until that day comes when you've convinced enough people that it is their beliefs, and not your own, that are "irrational," I'm afraid you'll just have to live with being on the losing end of the argument.

It's really up to the public at large to decide what sort of arrangement is appropriate and to legislate accordingly.

No it isn't up to the public in most places. Especially not when the usage is being controlled based on looks, not legal sex. Show me a place that checks ID before entering a facility to ensure the legal sex matches the room being entered.
 
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No it isn't up to the public in most places. Especially not when the usage is being controlled based on looks, not legal sex. Show me a place that checks ID before entering a facility to ensure the legal sex matches the room being entered.
The public, through elected representatives and their designees, create the policies, laws, and regulations that govern public accommodations - so it is up to the public in all places. The fact that some people might break the law doesn't change this.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Then provide the exact law that says people can't enter certain locker rooms or restrooms here. For this particular municipality.
Again, the law that pertains to this issue is very broadly worded civil rights legislation. You can view the complaint and see which sections they reference, but whether or not it applies almost certainly depends on relevant case law.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

The public, through elected representatives and their designees, create the policies, laws, and regulations that govern public accommodations - so it is up to the public in all places. The fact that some people might break the law doesn't change this.

You have not shown any policies that would apply to this case though. So until you do, the public has left the policies up to the private business owners. Until you show a law that says they can't, no law has been broken.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Again, the law that pertains to this issue is very broadly worded civil rights legislation. You can view the complaint and see which sections they reference, but whether or not it applies almost certainly depends on relevant case law.

No. Civil rights legislation does not at all prevent women or men or transgendered men/women from entering other restrooms. Please provide some actual proof of this rather than your highly uninformed opinion. Hell, judges have ruled otherwise in many places.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

No. Civil rights legislation does not at all prevent women or men or transgendered men/women from entering other restrooms. Please provide some actual proof of this rather than your highly uninformed opinion. Hell, judges have ruled otherwise in many places.
Any proof or lack thereof will evince itself with outcome of this lawsuit.

Unless, of course, Planet Fitness decides to settle rather than going to court.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Any proof or lack thereof will evince itself with outcome of this lawsuit.

Unless, of course, Planet Fitness decides to settle rather than going to court.

Evidence is available now. Plenty of companies have already been sued by transgendered people and lost, including changing their own policies. And even those laws that have been passed in certain cities regarding this issue generally apply only to restrooms (which is beyond stupid) and not to private locker rooms. It also seems to be left up to the owners, in most cases, to determine who gets to determine who is allowed in which restrooms, locker rooms, etc.
 
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Please provide the last time someone was attacked in a gym locker room, or changing room, or public (as in actually having people coming in and out, or employees in the area, somewhere, available any time its open) restroom. Last I checked, it is even more rare for a rape to occur in a public restroom, changing room, locker room, then for a woman to sexually assault someone.
I guess don't follow the argument you are trying to make.

Are you really saying that since it is rare for sexual assault to occur in places that men are typically not permitted, we should permit them to come in?

Shall we allow small children to enter prisons to visit inmates because there has never been a case where a small child was molested or injured in prison?
 
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I guess don't follow the argument you are trying to make.

Are you really saying that since it is rare for sexual assault to occur in places that men are typically not permitted, we should permit them to come in?

Shall we allow small children to enter prisons to visit inmates because there has never been a case where a small child was molested or injured in prison?

It is rare for sexual assaults to occur in any locker rooms or restrooms because they are public places, not because men are not permitted. They are almost always full of people and/or have employees that can come into the locker rooms unannounced. They are too big of a risk.

And your example is in no way comparable. Hell, I went to a prison to visit an inmate when I was 12.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Evidence is available now. Plenty of companies have already been sued by transgendered people and lost, including changing their own policies.
That would be part of the case law I referenced.

And even those laws that have been passed in certain cities regarding this issue generally apply only to restrooms (which is beyond stupid) and not to private locker rooms. It also seems to be left up to the owners, in most cases, to determine who gets to determine who is allowed in which restrooms, locker rooms, etc
This lawsuit is not about whether or not the owner was allowed to determine who is allowed in their locker room, it's about the way they poorly implemented their policy by not informing members of the policy, and threatening (and finally severing a contract with) a women because she was doing so.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

That would be part of the case law I referenced.


This lawsuit is not about whether or not the owner was allowed to determine who is allowed in their locker room, it's about the way they poorly implemented their policy by not informing members of the policy, and threatening (and finally severing a contract with) a women because she was doing so.

No it isn't. That would only be an issue if the person had harm inflicted upon them due to this policy, which she didn't. Feeling uncomfortable is not harm. Feeling unsafe in the locker room due to your own misconceptions is not harm.

The contract was ended due to her actions, harassing other members and making disparaging and false remarks about a person utilizing the gym. Transgendered people do not automatically put anyone safety at risk. Allowing transgendered people to use the facilities of the gender they identify with does not in any legitimate way put people at risk, make them less safe, yet these are claims she made and refused to stop making. That is why she lost her membership.
 
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No it isn't. That would only be an issue if the person had harm inflicted upon them due to this policy, which she didn't. Feeling uncomfortable is not harm. Feeling unsafe in the locker room due to your own misconceptions is not harm.
In your view, would it be okay for PF to institute a policy that allowed men to view the inside of the women's locker room remotely, say on a big tv in the manager's office, without obtaining permission of the women or otherwise informing them of the presence of video cameras? Of course, if they happened to spot a camera and complained, they would be informed that said policy is in place and if they could go elsewhere if it bothered them.

Of course, no harm would be caused as the men would be far away from where the action was taking place, and no recordings would be allowed. Men would actually have to be present in the viewing room when the action was taking place.
 
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We have laws against voyeurism - such acts are often classified as a felonious sex crimes, even though no "harm" (as you define it) comes to the victims. Is this an "issue"?
 
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We have laws against voyeurism - such acts are often classified as a felonious sex crimes, even though no "harm" (as you define it) comes to the victims. Is this an "issue"?

You would have to prove voyeurism, it applies the same way to males and females, and none of that has been proven to happen in this case or any other case involving these sorts of policies.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

In your view, would it be okay for PF to institute a policy that allowed men to view the inside of the women's locker room remotely, say on a big tv in the manager's office, without obtaining permission of the women or otherwise informing them of the presence of video cameras? Of course, if they happened to spot a camera and complained, they would be informed that said policy is in place and if they could go elsewhere if it bothered them.

Of course, no harm would be caused as the men would be far away from where the action was taking place, and no recordings would be allowed. Men would actually have to be present in the viewing room when the action was taking place.

What would be the point of that? That is stupid. That is in no way benefiting anyone besides sexual perverts. Allowing people to use the restroom/locker room of the gender they identify with keeps those people safer than forcing them to use the locker room of the sex of their birth. Especially since it is required to live as the sex you identify as for so long, including going to gyms, restrooms, etc. before many parts of the sex change can occur. But the transgendered women are in more danger from ignorant jerks who will beat up transgendered women especially in public.
 
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No, it is cautious to be wary of people with mental disorders. Contrary to popular mythology, libs don't get to make up definitions for words. They still have meaning, in spite of your best attempts. Furthermore, there is no way to distinguish a real "transgender", from a pervert simply exploiting this idiotic policy.

No its bigotry. You can try to hide the bigotry but everybody sees it. Also this has nothing to do with libs I'm more conservative and nothing is being made up except the extra risk of danger which is just sad people are that ignorant.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

This is literally a stupid post. Almost 100% across the board.



Then you write very poorly because you said: Assuming somebody is a danger simply because they are transgender is very hateful and bigoted. It's obvious you don't care about the transgender by your words thinking he should be treated as a danger on that alone is the true ignorance and disrespect. The rest of your post is just obnoxious.

The topic is "assuming danger" and you follow that with a sentence about me with more about danger... you talk about hate and bigotry and then immediately make a statement about how I don't care about them...THEN you make a third sentence that changes the point/topic.



My comments here have nothing to do with the guy being a transgendered individual and everything about being a man. Your assumptions on how I view transgendered people are based off of nothing... you are just making **** up because I have not made any comments about them other than positive ones.



That is why I used the term, "implied". Look it up. Dictionaries on the Internet are easy to find and use.


Seriously? This is like a second-rate third-grade come back.

I guess that means you can't discuss what was actually said. I figured as much.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Transgendered people have been around in society since ancient times. It has been acknowledged in older cultures and accommodation has been made for it. People are way too uptight about this issue.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Wow. And here you are admonishing her for bigotry when you are exibiting bigotry yourself! WTF? :lol:



You argue that there is no danger or issues of safety and if you do argue that there is it is bigotry...

... Ooooops, Bodi got you. :lol:

Let's see how you try to get out of this one.

Sorry there's zero bigotry in my post. ZERO but no its obvious you are simply making trolling posts hahaha
There's nothing to get out of, anybody that assumes heightened danger based on the presence of a transgender is a bigot.
 
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You have repeatedly... she feels uncomfortable that a man is in the female locker room and you are calling her a bigot because of it.

NO I have repeated she is a bigot because she is. She assumes transgenders are dangerous that makes her a bigot and a very uneducated one at that.
 
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No a man has no right to a women's locker room.
Nope her concerns of not having men in a womens locker room are 100% valid.

nope they failed to provide a safe area for her to change her clothes.

she does see above.
nope no such thing as a hate group for not wanting men in womens locker rooms.

If I heard of a man in my daughters locker room I would file a protest with the school and call the police to arrest the kid.
no boy or man has a right to be in a locker room full of women.

however this is the way of a morally bankrupt society.

Who said a man has a right to a locker room, not me. Her concerns for safety are asinine and bigoted. There is ZERO proof that they failed to provide a safe area for her to change her clothes.
You would look foolish because there would be no crime committed for a transgender being in your daughters locker room in this case.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

NO I have repeated she is a bigot because she is. She assumes transgenders are dangerous that makes her a bigot and a very uneducated one at that.

Who cares? It's a woman's locker room and they are not women. Pretty simple stuff here.
 
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Once they told me that the guy self-identifies as female and their policy is to let such people use the bathroom and locker room of their choice, I would've asked if I could have my money back and cancel my membership. If they wouldn't let me, then I would have sued, if that's not in their contract.

Transgenders are not people who are going through a sex change. It is a person of one gender who wants to be the other gender, so dresses that way. He "identifies" as the other gender. But he (it's usually men) is still male.

It's not just about danger. It's about modesty and appropriateness. I think a lot of other women are like me in that I was raised a certain way and am not comfortable going to unisex bathrooms. I do not want to pee in a stall next to a man peeing. I don't want to be adjusting my underwear at the mirror, and a man walks out of the stall with his penis hanging out.

In a women's restroom, and especially in a locker room, women do personal things, like fix underwear, bra straps, use the bathroom, change clothing, do female gabbing, etc. We all have the same parts. Throw a penis into the room, and it all changes. I have a right to use the restroom and locker room without men being around while I change clothing or use the bathroom. Whatever genitalia you have determines the gender you are, and the guy who identifies as a woman is still a male, biologically.

Transgenders aren't the only ones with rights. Other people have rights, too. So if the gym has that policy and they didn't disclose that to me, I should get my money back. I am NOT going to the bathroom and change clothes with men.

Men may feel differently about using the bathroom with women who self-identify as men. I don't know. But I think women are probably a bit more modest about this sort of thing.

You would lose the case since its in their policies. Yes in this case the person is still male, thats meaningless. No you have no right to exclude people from a locker room thats not yours where a policy allows them to be.
 
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If you have a penis, you should have to go to the restroom and locker room where the people with penises go. People with vaginas go in the women's restroom and locker room. It's that simple.

If I self-identify as a movie star, do I get to go to the Academy Awards? Nonsense.

Yes that's very anologous . . . .not hahahaha
 
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