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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

They are a business, and they have every right to allow those who identify as a certain gender into those rooms.
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the laws of the state. This lawsuit should help clarify how things work in this particular state.
 
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That is her problem, sort of like someone seeing a news report that a gym (not their gym), had cameras or an employee "spying" on people changing, then the person getting paranoid that their gym might be doing it and suing because it could have happened that someone might be spying on them. The intimidation was in her head, not something the gym should have to pay her for. There is no more actual sexual harassment from a transgendered woman or even a man just seeing a woman naked than a woman seeing another woman naked. There was no reasonable expectation of privacy in a locker room, where people get undressed. The only expectation of privacy there would be in people not touching you or not having someone peek at you when you are behind a shower curtain or a stall door/curtain.

din ding ding ding

the case is desperation of a settlement and has no real legs of law, rights or justice to stand on
 
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The complaining woman chose her actions in the locker room based on her own irrational fears, nothing more. It is irrational to fear a man being in the locker room. It is especially irrational to fear a transgendered woman being in the locker room, particularly since there is absolutely no evidence that she was a danger to anyone. This is no different than if someone was uncomfortable with a lesbian being in the locker room and "fearing" the lesbian would attack or look at other women.
No, such fears are not "irrational," and of course there is no way of knowing whether or not a man is transgendered simply because he decides to put a blouse on and walk into the ladies locker room.

On the contrary, what's "irrational" is a blanket assumption that a man poses no threat simply because he's wearing women's clothing.
 
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1.)No, such fears are not "irrational," and of course there is no way of knowing whether or not a man is transgendered simply because he decides to put a blouse on and walk into the ladies locker room.
2.)On the contrary, what's "irrational" is a blanket assumption that a man poses no threat simply because he's wearing women's clothing.

1.) actually they are irrational, her initial concerns are ok but once she was informed of the equality policy by the front desk and HQ the fact they knew about the person in question her fears were 100% irrational and in fact bigoted
2.) who said a person posses no threat? making stuff up wont help your claims
ALL PEOPLE can pose a threat but its irrational to assume theres a greater level of one simply by a transgenders presence

the lady is a bigotted moron and has nobody to blame for her situation but hereslef
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Which gyms have policies that allow cameras or people of the opposite sex to spy on people changing without posting signs or otherwise letting customers know of the policy?

Hence, the news report. It is based on a irrational fear that connects one thing, cameras in some place, like another gym or even a tanning place or something (even illegally done) means that something else is going to happen, such as cameras at the gym you go to or people coming into the place to rape you, and that fear leading to the person deciding to not risk it (even with little evidence of "it" or anything going on at that place) and choosing not to use the facilities there and blaming the place for their decision not to utilize the facilities.

Now, if she is claiming the "loss of use of facilities" due to the revocation of her membership, then that is a different case, but no less foolish. She didn't lose use of the facilities due to someone else using them too or to any preemptive action of the facility. She lost her membership for breaking the rules of the gym, harassing other members and spreading rumors/negative statements about other people using the gym. She had no right to tell other members that she or they were being "put in danger" by the gym allowing transgendered people to use the locker rooms/restrooms of their identified gender. That in no reasonable way puts anyone in danger. If she or you or others thinks it does, then show some evidence, proof.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the laws of the state. This lawsuit should help clarify how things work in this particular state.

Show the laws of the state of Michigan violated by the rules of this gym.
 
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No, such fears are not "irrational," and of course there is no way of knowing whether or not a man is transgendered simply because he decides to put a blouse on and walk into the ladies locker room.

On the contrary, what's "irrational" is a blanket assumption that a man poses no threat simply because he's wearing women's clothing.

Yes, they are irrational, even if some guy were dressing up as a woman just to gain access to the women's locker rooms or restrooms just to see naked women. A man seeing a naked woman is not equivalent to the woman being in danger. And there is nothing whatsoever to show that women in a locker room or anyone in a locker room is in danger of being raped because of these rules. This is so unbelievably unreasonable.

First, locker rooms almost always have people going in and out of them. No half intelligent rapist would even attempt to attack anyone in a locker room and risk discovery, from either the people entering or those working in the gym.

Second, this is completely sexist. It assumes that women can't sexually assault or just plain assault other women. It also wrongly assumes that guys would be likely to do something like that, dress like a woman just to do this. It could also be said that many men who would do this could just as easily do this without such a policy very easily. It assumes that a man would risk getting caught raping someone but not for something so petty as entering a woman's locker room in disguise. That makes no sense at all. And it completely ignores transgendered men.
 
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Second, this is completely sexist. It assumes that women can't sexually assault or just plain assault other women. It also wrongly assumes that guys would be likely to do something like that, dress like a woman just to do this. It could also be said that many men who would do this could just as easily do this without such a policy very easily. It assumes that a man would risk getting caught raping someone but not for something so petty as entering a woman's locker room in disguise. That makes no sense at all. And it completely ignores transgendered men.
Oh come on. Sexist? In the past year, how many times (if any) did some random woman attack and sexually assault another woman?

Do you often find yourself chiding those who refuse to ride with drunk drivers because it's irrational to believe it's any less safe given that sober people crash cars, too?

I'll tell you what is irrational - throwing probability out the window in favor of mere possibility.
 
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Show the laws of the state of Michigan violated by the rules of this gym.
It would be those laws that pertain to civil rights and public accommodations. Given that such laws are typically vague, any analysis - yours or mine - will likely be meaningless without a knowledge of the relevant case law, something I have no access to.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)Oh come on. Sexist? In the past year, how many times (if any) did some random woman attack and sexually assault another woman?
2.)Do you often find yourself chiding those who refuse to ride with drunk drivers because it's irrational to believe it's any less safe given that sober people crash cars, too?
3.) I'll tell you what is irrational - throwing probability out the window in favor of mere possibility.

1.) hmmm using THAT logic i bet you its MORE than some transgender man attacked a woman :lamo
2.) wow what a failed strawman that is totally not analogous
3.) what probability, you havent shown any, Is it very probably a transgender man will attack a woman?

thank you for proving your own claims wrong LMAO
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)It would be those laws that pertain to civil rights and public accommodations. Given that such laws are typically vague, any analysis - yours or mine - will likely be meaningless without a knowledge of the relevant case law, something I have no access to.

the civil rights of this woman nor accomadation laws were violated
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

She had no right to tell other members that she or they were being "put in danger" by the gym allowing transgendered people to use the locker rooms/restrooms of their identified gender.
How dare she let other members know of the gym's unstated, unwritten, locker room policy! She had no right to let others in on the secret..that totally ruins the surprise!!
 
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Oh come on. Sexist? In the past year, how many times (if any) did some random woman attack and sexually assault another woman?

Do you often find yourself chiding those who refuse to ride with drunk drivers because it's irrational to believe it's any less safe given that sober people crash cars, too?

I'll tell you what is irrational - throwing probability out the window in favor of mere possibility.

Please provide the last time someone was attacked in a gym locker room, or changing room, or public (as in actually having people coming in and out, or employees in the area, somewhere, available any time its open) restroom. Last I checked, it is even more rare for a rape to occur in a public restroom, changing room, locker room, then for a woman to sexually assault someone.

Oh and statistically, women are assaulted by people they know, not strangers. People they are dating or are acquainted with or even their family members.
 
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How dare she let other members know of the gym's unstated, unwritten, locker room policy! She had no right to let others in on the secret..that totally ruins the surprise!!

She had no right to harass them about the policy (there were complaints from other members), nor to state the policy as more than just the policy. She didn't just say "they allow people to enter the locker room of the gender they identify as, that is their policy" and leave it at that. She inserted her own view of "that puts us at risk of assault from that man".
 
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How dare she let other members know of the gym's unstated, unwritten, locker room policy! She had no right to let others in on the secret..that totally ruins the surprise!!

what facts say the rule was unstated, unwritten, in fact it was stated LMAO also just telling them wasnt the issue. Making others uncomfortable and stating the falsehood that it was dangerous and a safety issue was the issue.

man your posts just keep failing one right after another, can you support any of these clams please?.

maybe you should stick to what actually happening instead of just making stuff up dishonest posts, thanks
 
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It would be those laws that pertain to civil rights and public accommodations. Given that such laws are typically vague, any analysis - yours or mine - will likely be meaningless without a knowledge of the relevant case law, something I have no access to.

Nope. In fact, public accommodation laws would say almost the opposite and you don't have the civil right not see certain people naked nor to not have them see you naked.
 
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Please provide the last time someone was attacked in a gym locker room, or changing room, or public (as in actually having people coming in and out, or employees in the area, somewhere, available any time its open) restroom. Last I checked, it is even more rare for a rape to occur in a public restroom, changing room, locker room, then for a woman to sexually assault someone.

Oh and statistically, women are assaulted by people they know, not strangers. People they are dating or are acquainted with or even their family members.



She had no right to harass them about the policy (there were complaints from other members), nor to state the policy as more than just the policy. She didn't just say "they allow people to enter the locker room of the gender they identify as, that is their policy" and leave it at that. She inserted her own view of "that puts us at risk of assault from that man".


facts, reality and common sense will simply be ignored by some
 
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Yes, they are irrational, even if some guy were dressing up as a woman just to gain access to the women's locker rooms or restrooms just to see naked women. A man seeing a naked woman is not equivalent to the woman being in danger. And there is nothing whatsoever to show that women in a locker room or anyone in a locker room is in danger of being raped because of these rules. This is so unbelievably unreasonable.

First, locker rooms almost always have people going in and out of them. No half intelligent rapist would even attempt to attack anyone in a locker room and risk discovery, from either the people entering or those working in the gym.
You are certainly welcome to start or join a movement to do away with the many national and state laws and regulations that require separate facilities for men and women, but until that day comes when you've convinced enough people that it is their beliefs, and not your own, that are "irrational," I'm afraid you'll just have to live with being on the losing end of the argument.

It's really up to the public at large to decide what sort of arrangement is appropriate and to legislate accordingly.
 
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1.)You are certainly welcome to start or join a movement to do away with the many national and state laws and regulations that require separate facilities for men and women
2.), but until that day comes when you've convinced enough people that it is their beliefs
3.) , and not your own, that are "irrational," I'm afraid you'll just have to live with being on the losing end of the argument.
4.)It's really up to the public at large to decide what sort of arrangement is appropriate and to legislate accordingly.

1.) please produce these laws and regulations that apply in this matter to a gym
2.) your subjective belifes dont matter to PF and thier rules
3.) your posts are the only thing that lost the argument in fact multiple people destoryed them with facts . . I lost track of how many factually false claims you made. Reminds us what you have on your side again besides opinion and proven false claims?
4.) wrong again the public has no factual say in PFs lockerrooms. PF could decide or choose to listen to them but they dont get a say.

If PF wants to make one large adult locker room they can and its the publics choice to either accept it or not go there lol
your post fails and facts win again
 
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Nope. In fact, public accommodation laws would say almost the opposite and you don't have the civil right not see certain people naked nor to not have them see you naked.
You argue as if there were one set of public accommodation laws. Nonsense.

Whether or not women have a right to change in a public locker room without men present is up to the people of a particular state or municipality to decide for themselves.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.)You argue as if there were one set of public accommodation laws. Nonsense.
2.)Whether or not women have a right to change in a public locker room without men present is up to the people of a particular state or municipality to decide for themselves.

1.) yes your claim is nonsense because there were ZERO public accommodation violated in favor of the woman but in some places to ban the guy could in fact violate public accommodation laws.
2.)100% false it isnt a "right" anywhere LOL why do you make stuff up
facts win again
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

1.) please produce these laws and regulations that apply in this matter to a gym

If PF wants to make one large adult locker room they can and its the publics choice to either accept it or not go there lol
your post fails and facts win again
No, I'm not going to produce an itemized list of laws and regulations of which there are many, starting with the US Department of Health and Human Services on down to local building codes. All of this you would know if you spent a a minute or two doing a bit of research.

The facts are there whether or not you wish to recognize them. They don't go away simply because you put your head in the sand.
 
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1.)No, I'm not going to produce an itemized list of laws and regulations of which there are many, starting with the US Department of Health and Human Services on down to local building codes. All of this you would know if you spent a a minute or two doing a bit of research.
2.)The facts are there whether or not you wish to recognize them. They don't go away simply because you put your head in the sand.

1.) translation: you made it up and cant do it, thats what I thought.
2.) the only people that have posted facts so far have been the posters destroying your posts

Please let us know when you can back up any of your claims with facts, thanks
fact win again
 
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1.) translation: you made it up and cant do it, thats what I thought.
2.) the only people that have posted facts so far have been the posters destroying your posts

Please let us know when you can back up any of your claims with facts, thanks
fact win again
Sadly, just the sort of response I expected. With all sincerity... why not spend a couple of minutes educating yourself on the topic rather than spitting out this "facts win again" nonsense? Surely your time would be better spent expanding your knowledge in the area, rather than twisting peoples words around in some vain attempt to appear a "winner" on some insignificant internet thread?

Anyway, since you refuse to research and I refuse to provide you with details, it seems there's nothing more to discuss.
 
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1.)Sadly, just the sort of response I expected. With all sincerity...
2.)hy not spend a couple of minutes educating yourself on the topic rather than spitting out this "facts win again" nonsense? Surely your time would be better spent expanding your knowledge in the area, rather than twisting peoples words around in some vain attempt to appear a "winner" on some insignificant internet thread?
3.) Anyway, since you refuse to research and I refuse to provide you with details
4.) it seems there's nothing more to discuss.

1.) of course why would you expect less than the truth and me not falling for your deflections fallacies and falsehoods. Im very consistent .
2.) thats what i thought since you cant back up the lies you posted so you are deflecting AGAIN
3.) translation: you got caught posting lies and since you cant support your failed and destroyed claims you will again deflect.
Please let us know when you can support any of the claims you made with FACTS. Until that happens multiple people will continue to point out thier inaccuracies and false hoods.
4.) I accept your concession, good move quitting since you cant support your claims. THank you
facts win again
 
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