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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

- She did no slander him
- she is not a bigot because this is not about transgendered... IT IS ABOUT A MAN BEING IN THE WOMAN'S LOCKER ROOM
- You are misrepresenting/misunderstanding facts and insulting the woman and by your logic you are slandering her



And I don't want boys in my daughter's locker rooms and would complain about it... would that make me an ass? Stupid conclusion...



Did she say he was dangerous or that she didn't feel safe... Nope... she did NOT say he was dangerous: ""failing to protect me if anything happens in those locker rooms with a man.""

Making up facts and repeating that she is a bigot is one way to debate... unfortunately it is silly and incorrect and leads to a failed argument.

She did slander him, there is no evidence of danger, her claiming otherwise is slander. She is in fact a bigot because this is about transgender she claimed his presence is dangerous. Didn't slander the lady at all, her own words prove she is a bigot, she has been quoted here and it supports her bigotry.

No the actions you describe would not make you a bigot.

Claiming that she did not mention the man therefore its not bigotry is just dishonest. Her own words, which you did not quote all of them clearly shows this woman is a bigot. She was concerned for her saftey and said its dangerous there because he was there, that's plain bigotry.
 
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What normal woman wouldn't fear a large perverted man walking into a woman's locker room wearing women's clothing? And it is the average member that Plant Fitness should be more concerned with. It's only a matter of time before some pervert walks into the women's locker room and molests a teenager or a child. Then the Planet Fitness identity neutral locker room policy will look pretty stupid. Diversity is one thing....diversity to an insane level is just stupid.

Any woman who can think without allowing their own stupid biases to make them have an irrational fear of men or even "large" men in women's clothing. Those who molest teens and children don't do so by "identifying" as a the opposite sex or even gay. Heck, the only children that we see getting molested now in locker rooms is happening when completely straight, "normal" married guys do it to the members of the teams they are coaching.
 
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It is not wrong to be wary of one who claims to be what he obviously is not; nor is it wrong to be wary of someone who insists on going where he has no legitimate business going.

It is certainly not wrong to be wary of a man who claims to be a woman, and wants to go into a women's locker room. It is very much wrong not to be wary of such a person.



I would never be in a women's locker room, so it is moot to speculate about how I would conduct myself if I were. If my sense of decency was sufficiently broken that I would seek to go into ladies' dressing facilities, then I'd have to say that it would not be safe to assume, at that point, that my sense of decency wasn't also too broken to restrain me from otherwise behaving in highly inappropriate and harmful manners toward the ladies whose privacy I was already thus invading.

Yes it is. You have no evidence whatsoever that transgendered people, or even just transgendered women are in any way more dangerous than women in general.

You need to stop with the "I'm better than them". You aren't.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

See Carlotta Sklodowska @sklodowska1982 @CSklodowska @PlanetFitness @HRC @ACLULGBT (USA) | Gender Identity Watch.

Do you really think that it is “hateful”, “bigoted”, and a demonstration of “ignorance” and “disrespect” to have serious and sincere concerns about a creepy pervert like this being allowed free access to women's dressing rooms? Seriously?

What about having respect for the women who want to use that locker room? Why do you think it reasonable to show such outrageous disregard for their safety, comfort, and well-being, in order to “respect” a creepy pervert?

And yours is the side that likes to falsely accuse my side of waging a “war on women”.

I'm not interested in your link the woman in this story is a hateful bigot. There is no creepy pervert in this story, Referring to the person as a creepy pervert also makes your view bigoted. Tell us what makes this person a creepy pervert . . . just because he is transgender and NOTHING else . . that is in fact a bigoted view. Thank you for sharing it and repeating ti because it lets me know the essence of your views. Bigotry.

My side claims there is a war on women? Dear lord what are you babbling about? And who is your side?
 
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You can't know that about everyone, of course.

But a creepy-looking man who dresses like a woman and expects to be allowed into women's dressing facilities is prima facie evidence that he is a pervert.

Another perfect example of bigotry.
 
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Why do you keep using SOLELY the term "attack"? She implied safety when she mentioned that they needed to "protect".

No... you are using a term that is more dramatic than we are using in an attempt to belittle and refute our point, that is all.

What kind of "danger" are they in then? If their safety is compromised, then they are in some sort of danger. Not that hard to gather from that wording.
 
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Actually I am because most women aren't bigots.

Most women are not comfortable having strange men present when they are dressing and undressing; even if the men in question are not obvious about being creepy perverts.


Also there was no "creepy perverted man" in the locker room.

What do you call this, then?
Carlotta Sklodowska @sklodowska1982 @CSklodowska @PlanetFitness @HRC @ACLULGBT (USA) | Gender Identity Watch
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What is it that you deny? That he is…
  • Creepy?
  • Perverted?
  • A man?
I think it is quite obvious enough that he is all three.


Please provide proof the "vast majority of women" are uncomfortable…

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You're the one claiming that women, in general, are OK with having strange men watch them undress. It seems that the heavy burden is on you is to support such a bizarre claim, and not on me to support what everyone knows and accepts as common sense and common decency.


…nor as anybody called them bigots for being uncomfortable, try not to misrepresent what was said and post lies please.

You have repeatedly used that word, exactly, to describe women who are not comfortable with having a strange, creepy man present where they are undressing.

In fact, you did so again, after I originally posted this, describing such an objection to a man being present where a woman is undressing, as an “irrational fear based on bigotry”.

Yes that is correct, her irrational fear based on bigotry.
 
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Where did I claim that the man was "a danger"? See... you are making these assumptions. She doesn't feel safe. I would not feel safe about having boys in my daughter's locker rooms either... that is not safe. Safe has many meanings to it but yo useem to think that it only means that we are saying that he will attack her. That is stupid thining... you are calling, or at the very least insinuating, that I am hateful and a bigot? That conclusion, based off of everything that I have said in this thread, is comical. I am anything but hateful and bigoted but your intellectual capacity is certainly apparent and it is woefully lacking...



Not wanting a woman in the men's locker rooms is obnoxious?

Wanting to chill out and have some cave time is obnoxious?

Not wanting a boy in the locker room with my girl's is obnoxious?

Challenging Political Correctness MORONS that insist that you agree with them or you are a hate filled bigot is obnoxious?



Lady... that is some insipid and odious tripe you are dishin' there... :lol:

I didn't say you claimed he was dangerous so yes you are making stuff up. What I did say is that it is obvious you don't care about transgender people. ALso I still have never called you a hateful bigot, but you are free to keep repeating try to make a point on it even though it never happened. SO yes your argument is woefully lacking intellectually since you made it up. hahahaha

Yes I already know that stuff you are making up is insipid and odious tripe. Feel free to discuss what I really said though.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Planet Fitness is a private company, they can do what they want. If they want to allow men in the locker room that's fine, and they can revoke the lady's membership if they want to as well.
 
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It is her irrational fear that makes her feel unsafe, not the transgendered person in the locker room or even a man in the locker room.

Yes that is correct, her irrational fear based on bigotry.
 
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Any woman who can think without allowing their own stupid biases to make them have an irrational fear of men or even "large" men in women's clothing. Those who molest teens and children don't do so by "identifying" as a the opposite sex or even gay. Heck, the only children that we see getting molested now in locker rooms is happening when completely straight, "normal" married guys do it to the members of the teams they are coaching.

You don't get it, do you? For the sake of my point...never mind the freaky character that led to the woman complaining. Under a completely gender identity neutral policy, some creepy male pedophile could walk into a woman's locker room and when confronted, simply state: "I feel like a woman today". Even if he did not rape or otherwise molest, he could still leer and make normal women or children feel uncomfortable. I hate to be the one to break it to you however "anything goes" just for the sake of modern leftwing political correctness is never going to catch on in the real world. This is not just about the perverted cross dresser the woman complained about. My prediction is that if Planet fitness continues their "gender identity neutral" policy, it will hurt them in the long run.
 
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What kind of "danger" are they in then? If their safety is compromised, then they are in some sort of danger. Not that hard to gather from that wording.

OK then... danger in the way that it is being applied here is only being used to imply attack or bodily threat... none of the ones I am mentioning are even being listened to.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Most women are not comfortable having strange men present when they are dressing and undressing; even if the men in question are not obvious about being creepy perverts.




What do you call this, then?
Carlotta Sklodowska @sklodowska1982 @CSklodowska @PlanetFitness @HRC @ACLULGBT (USA) | Gender Identity Watch

What is it that you deny? That he is…
  • Creepy?
  • Perverted?
  • A man?
I think it is quite obvious enough that he is all three.




Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You're the one claiming that women, in general, are OK with having strange men watch them undress. It seems that the heavy burden is on you is to support such a bizarre claim, and not on me to support what everyone knows and accepts as common sense and common decency.




You have repeatedly used that word, exactly, to describe women who are not comfortable with having a strange, creepy man present where they are undressing.

So after your post above you still can't shows there was a strange creepy man in the locker room or that the vast majority of women are against transgenders being in the locker room or that I ever used that word bigot to describe someone being uncomfortable? Should I ask you again or will you just dodge it again?
 
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OK then... danger in the way that it is being applied here is only being used to imply attack or bodily threat... none of the ones I am mentioning are even being listened to.

No, it isn't. There is no "danger" of any kind to the woman for a "man" or transgendered woman being there. A woman can look at her, stare at her, cat call her, bother her, leer at her, or anything else a "man" or transgendered woman "might" do.
 
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I don't see how a woman uncomfortable with a man in the locker room is bigoted though... Seems like a rational complaint for a woman to not want a man in the locker room changing with women.
 
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You don't get it, do you? For the sake of my point...never mind the freaky character that led to the woman complaining. Under a completely gender identity neutral policy, some creepy male pedophile could walk into a woman's locker room and when confronted, simply state: "I feel like a woman today". Even if he did not rape or otherwise molest, he could still leer and make normal women or children feel uncomfortable. I hate to be the one to break it to you however "anything goes" just for the sake of modern leftwing political correctness is never going to catch on in the real world. This is not just about the perverted cross dresser the woman complained about. My prediction is that if Planet fitness continues their "gender identity neutral" policy, it will hurt them in the long run.

So its okay for that "creepy male pedophile" to be in the men's changing room, with young boys? Because essentially, that is what you are saying. That man could still leer at children (boys) and make them feel uncomfortable. And anyone can make anyone else feel uncomfortable, even when they don't do anything at all.
 
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I don't see how a woman uncomfortable with a man in the locker room is bigoted though... Seems like a rational complaint for a woman to not want a man in the locker room changing with women.

Not one person has made that claim that know of.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

You don't get it, do you? For the sake of my point...never mind the freaky character that led to the woman complaining. Under a completely gender identity neutral policy, some creepy male pedophile could walk into a woman's locker room and when confronted, simply state: "I feel like a woman today". Even if he did not rape or otherwise molest, he could still leer and make normal women or children feel uncomfortable. I hate to be the one to break it to you however "anything goes" just for the sake of modern leftwing political correctness is never going to catch on in the real world. This is not just about the perverted cross dresser the woman complained about. My prediction is that if Planet fitness continues their "gender identity neutral" policy, it will hurt them in the long run.

We can hope that this will bring us finally to a much-needed turning point. As a society, we have made a great deal of “progress” (for wrong-wing values of that word) toward accepting and embracing all manner of sexual deviance, perversion, and immorality.

It's easy to accept any evil, if one doesn't expect to be affected directly by it.

But I think it will always be the case that most women are never going to be comfortable having strange men present where they are undressing; and as more and more women realize that accepting the sickness and madness of “transgenderism” means accepting that men (and not even normal men, at that, but men who are overtly sexual deviants of a disturbing sort) being allowed into their dressing areas; I think more and more women are going to become much less accepting of this particular sickness. And along with these women, so will turn the opinions of their husbands, fathers, brothers, sons, and other men who care about the well-being of the women in their lives.

Men pretending to be women, and being allowed into women's dressing areas, I hope and expect, will be the bridge too far for the pervert-rights movement; that will turn the tide of public opinion away from the madness and evil that it has been embracing, and back in the direction of common sense and common decency.
 
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I don't see how a woman uncomfortable with a man in the locker room is bigoted though... Seems like a rational complaint for a woman to not want a man in the locker room changing with women.

No, it isn't, especially not when the "man" is dressed as a woman, and not even getting naked or staying in there longer than to put up their bag or get it.

Michigan's Planet Fitness 'Controversy' Echoes National Debate on Trans Access | Advocate.com

Sklodowska entered the women's locker room twice — once to hang up her belongings and once to retrieve them — and says she didn't even know someone had complained about her presence until friends told her that a news story was circulating about a woman's membership being revoked.
 
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No, it isn't, especially not when the "man" is dressed as a woman, and not even getting naked or staying in there longer than to put up their bag or get it.

Michigan's Planet Fitness 'Controversy' Echoes National Debate on Trans Access | Advocate.com

Actually it is, even if they aren't the one naked other women will be changing in there and may not want a man in the locker room. You don't get to dictate what someone else should be comfortable with. Fact remains they are a man in a women's locker room, and it's not an unreasonable discomfort for women to feel uncomfortable with a male in there where they may be changing.
 
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So after your post above you still can't shows there was a strange creepy man in the locker room…

If what I have presented doesn't convince you that the individual in question is a strange, creepy man, then I cannot imagine what evidence it would take to convince you of this. I can only conclude that you are just solidly, obstinately determined to deny what is obvious, no matter what evidence is presented and no matter how solidly it proves what you are trying to deny.

May Laurence Tureaud have compassion on you.


…or that the vast majority of women are against transgenders being in the locker room or that I ever used that word bigot to describe someone being uncomfortable? Should I ask you again or will you just dodge it again?

I directly quoted you saying so. You keep alternating between outright saying something and then denying that anyone has said it.
 
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You need to stop with the "I'm better than them". You aren't.

Yes, I am better.

A person who has the decency to stay out of the opposite sex's dressing rooms is prima facie better than someone who lacks such basic decency.

I think it is fair to say that possessing or lacking such an essential element of basic decency is among the best defining criteria of who is better than who else.

Whatever else you may think of me, I do possess this element of decency, and we are comparing me to someone who clearly does not possess this element of decency. On that basis alone, yes, I can rightfully claim to be better than that other individual.
 
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If what I have presented doesn't convince you that the individual in question is a strange, creepy man, then I cannot imagine what evidence it would take to convince you of this. I can only conclude that you are just solidly, obstinately determined to deny what is obvious, no matter what evidence is presented and no matter how solidly it proves what you are trying to deny.

May Laurence Tureaud have compassion on you.




I directly quoted you saying so. You keep alternating between outright saying something and then denying that anyone has said it.

No you have not provided anything that shows me he is a strange creepy pervert simply because my views aren't bigoted. And of course you would think as you do because that's what bigoted views would make you think. Again I think you for your post and showing those bigoted views.

The only think you have shown is is the person is a transgender . . . .there's nothing that you have provide that would make that person a "freaky, creepy perverted man"
Transgender does not equal "creepy perverted man. Also you haven't quoted me saying anything, I don't know how many lies you have posted now but I lost count. I've never said once that uncomfortably is bigotry hahahaha.
 
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Yes, I am better.

A person who has the decency to stay out of the opposite sex's dressing rooms is prima facie better than someone who lacks such basic decency.

I think it is fair to say that possessing or lacking such an essential element of basic decency is among the best defining criteria of who is better than who else.

Whatever else you may think of me, I do possess this element of decency, and we are comparing me to someone who clearly does not possess this element of decency. On that basis alone, yes, I can rightfully claim to be better than that other individual.

No, you aren't. "Decency" is subjective.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Yes, I am better.

Another example of bigotry. This one is like the purest definition of the word.
 
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