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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

LaylaWindu said:
That person had just as much right to be there as she did since that is a decision of Planet Fitness's and not here. Her "concerns" don't need addressed and her concerns are what is sad. Her concern was there was a man in there, her concerned was addressed when the front desk told her that they know and he is transgender. Any concerns after that are of her own invention. She has nothing to successfully sue on but I'd like to see her try. I'm sure some hateful group will back her and pay for it.
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No, a man does not have as much right as a woman to be in a women's locker room. That's why it's a women's locker room.

And it is not “hateful” to point this out. This is probably where those of you on the far-wrong are eventually going to lose—your relentless insistence on labeling what the vast majority know to be common sense, common decency, and the plain truth as “hateful”, “bigoted”, or whatever.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Yes she slandered him because she said his presence makes it unsafe. She's not a bigot because she wants to feel safe she is a bigot because she thinks the presence of a transgender makes it unsafe. I'm a woman and nothing in this story would make me question my safety if I was a member there.. So there was no insult she did indeed act like a bigot, if she finds that insulting simply don't act that way. Equality is progress and those that are bothered by it will just have to figure it out just like with woman and minorities before this issue. So there is no "bullying" going on and those that have contempt over equality policies are the ones with the issue.
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- She did no slander him
- she is not a bigot because this is not about transgendered... IT IS ABOUT A MAN BEING IN THE WOMAN'S LOCKER ROOM
- You are misrepresenting/misunderstanding facts and insulting the woman and by your logic you are slandering her

Well she definitely made an ass of herself.
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And I don't want boys in my daughter's locker rooms and would complain about it... would that make me an ass? Stupid conclusion...

She made a huge ass of herself for how bigoted she is and how much she complained over nothing. She didn't complain that there are unauthorized men in the locker room she tried to insist that this person was dangerous with no evidence of such hateful claims.
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Did she say he was dangerous or that she didn't feel safe... Nope... she did NOT say he was dangerous: ""failing to protect me if anything happens in those locker rooms with a man.""

Making up facts and repeating that she is a bigot is one way to debate... unfortunately it is silly and incorrect and leads to a failed argument.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Assuming somebody is a danger simply because they are transgender is very hateful and bigoted. It's obvious you don't care about the transgender by your words thinking he should be treated as a danger on that alone is the true ignorance and disrespect. The rest of your post is just obnoxious.
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See Carlotta Sklodowska @sklodowska1982 @CSklodowska @PlanetFitness @HRC @ACLULGBT (USA) | Gender Identity Watch.

Do you really think that it is “hateful”, “bigoted”, and a demonstration of “ignorance” and “disrespect” to have serious and sincere concerns about a creepy pervert like this being allowed free access to women's dressing rooms? Seriously?

What about having respect for the women who want to use that locker room? Why do you think it reasonable to show such outrageous disregard for their safety, comfort, and well-being, in order to “respect” a creepy pervert?

And yours is the side that likes to falsely accuse my side of waging a “war on women”.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Well the police wouldn't have done anything because there was no crime.The membership is yours and you can cancel it . . . maybe. Might only have the option not to renew it. How do you know anybody isn't a pervert, do any of us have certificates that just stupid.
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You can't know that about everyone, of course.

But a creepy-looking man who dresses like a woman and expects to be allowed into women's dressing facilities is prima facie evidence that he is a pervert.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
Her comments were not hateful nor bigoted. She is complaining that there is a man in the woman's locker room. I don't care what he "feels" his gender is. He is free to feel that he is a woman, dress like a woman and do whatever he wants that is legal.... as a woman. A man should not be allowed in the woman's locker room though. Calling her a bigot is just ignorant and disrespectful...
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Assuming somebody is a danger simply because they are transgender is very hateful and bigoted. It's obvious you don't care about the transgender by your words thinking he should be treated as a danger on that alone is the true ignorance and disrespect.
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Where did I claim that the man was "a danger"? See... you are making these assumptions. She doesn't feel safe. I would not feel safe about having boys in my daughter's locker rooms either... that is not safe. Safe has many meanings to it but yo useem to think that it only means that we are saying that he will attack her. That is stupid thining... you are calling, or at the very least insinuating, that I am hateful and a bigot? That conclusion, based off of everything that I have said in this thread, is comical. I am anything but hateful and bigoted but your intellectual capacity is certainly apparent and it is woefully lacking...

Originally posted by Bodisatva
I would not want a woman that feels like a man in the men's locker room either. I want to be able to chill out. A woman taking her shirt off and showing her breasts would not be relaxing... after a workout I want to chill in the sauna or shower and have some cave time. Last thing a man wants during cave time is a woman around. Well, women want to chill without men around and feel safe and secure being naked, changing, whatever.

I would not stand by if a boy felt like a girl and used my daughters locer room for a second. Ignorant fools and PC idiots could label me a bigot all they like but that boy will not be in with my girls. I will contact the school, the board, the district, the media. I would stand in front of the girls room and make it clear that he is not allowed in as well.
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The rest of your post is just obnoxious.
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Not wanting a woman in the men's locker rooms is obnoxious?

Wanting to chill out and have some cave time is obnoxious?

Not wanting a boy in the locker room with my girl's is obnoxious?

Challenging Political Correctness MORONS that insist that you agree with them or you are a hate filled bigot is obnoxious?



Lady... that is some insipid and odious tripe you are dishin' there... :lol:
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

LaylaWindu said:
Yes she slandered him because she said his presence makes it unsafe. She's not a bigot because she wants to feel safe she is a bigot because she thinks the presence of a transgender makes it unsafe. I'm a woman and nothing in this story would make me question my safety if I was a member there.. So there was no insult she did indeed act like a bigot, if she finds that insulting simply don't act that way. Equality is progress and those that are bothered by it will just have to figure it out just like with woman and minorities before this issue. So there is no "bullying" going on and those that have contempt over equality policies are the ones with the issue.
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It is her irrational fear that makes her feel unsafe, not the transgendered person in the locker room or even a man in the locker room.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
You can't know that about everyone, of course.

But a creepy-looking man who dresses like a woman and expects to be allowed into women's dressing facilities is prima facie evidence that he is a pervert.
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"Pervert" is subjective. And there is no legitimate argument that simply dressing as it identifying as the opposite of your born sex makes you dangerous.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
You can't know that about everyone, of course.

But a creepy-looking man who dresses like a woman and expects to be allowed into women's dressing facilities is prima facie evidence that he is a pervert.
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While he is technically a pervert I would argue that the term pervert is is disrespectful with regards to transgendered because perverts are generally associated with guys that look up womans dresses, gets off to kiddy pictures or looks through holes into a woman's locker room, etc.

Yes, I am guilty of being a tad-bit PC here... ;)
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Bob Blaylock said:
See Carlotta Sklodowska @sklodowska1982 @CSklodowska @PlanetFitness @HRC @ACLULGBT (USA) | Gender Identity Watch.

Do you really think that it is “hateful”, “bigoted”, and a demonstration of “ignorance” and “disrespect” to have serious and sincere concerns about a creepy pervert like this being allowed free access to women's dressing rooms? Seriously?

What about having respect for the women who want to use that locker room? Why do you think it reasonable to show such outrageous disregard for their safety, comfort, and well-being, in order to “respect” a creepy pervert?

And yours is the side that likes to falsely accuse my side of waging a “war on women”.
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It is wrong to assume they are a danger just because of the gender they were born to.

Are you a danger to women in any public place? Would you attack a woman if you were alone with her in the gym or a locker room? If not, then why do you assume other guys would or are?
 
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roguenuke said:
It is her irrational fear that makes her feel unsafe, not the transgendered person in the locker room or even a man in the locker room.
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Do men scam on women... leer at them? Make inappropriate comments to them? Hit on them? Attack them in order to rape them? Yeah, doesn't seem so irrational after all.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Bob Blaylock said:
No, a man does not have as much right as a woman to be in a women's locker room. That's why it's a women's locker room.

And it is not “hateful” to point this out. This is probably where those of you on the far-wrong are eventually going to lose—your relentless insistence on labeling what the vast majority know to be common sense, common decency, and the plain truth as “hateful”, “bigoted”, or whatever.
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It is a "woman's locker room" because the business it is in feels that most people prefer to get changed with those who share similar parts as them, if they have to share such facilities. However, those women do not have that right to not have the right to demand that the business prevent people from entering that space, even transgendered women and men. They can leave the gym or not use those facilities if they don't like the policy.
 
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roguenuke said:
It is wrong to assume they are a danger just because of the gender they were born to.

Are you a danger to women in any public place? Would you attack a woman if you were alone with her in the gym or a locker room? If not, then why do you assume other guys would or are?
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Where did Bob mention that he was a danger? Why do you guys keep making things up? ;)
 
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Bodhisattva said:
While he is technically a pervert I would argue that the term pervert is is disrespectful with regards to transgendered because perverts are generally associated with guys that look up womans dresses, gets off to kiddy pictures or looks through holes into a woman's locker room, etc.
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So what if calling someone a pervert is disrespectful? Since when does being a pervert entitle one to respect? I'll save my respect for those who appear to deserve it. A creepy perverted man who goes into women's locker rooms does not qualify for my respect.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Do men scam on women... leer at them? Make inappropriate comments to them? Hit on them? Attack them in order to rape them? Yeah, doesn't seem so irrational after all.
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So? Those things are not equivalent to attacks. And women do it to men, some to other women. Men do it to men.

And most rapes occur when the person knows the other, date rape. Attack type rapes rarely happen, but when they do, they generally don't occur in a public, "high traffic" (or at least the potential) area. Can you show any stats on women being attacked by men or transgendered women in a similar setting?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Where did Bob mention that he was a danger? Why do you guys keep making things up? ;)
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He said her safety was compromised by having a "man" in the locker room, which indicates that he believes a man in the locker room is a danger to women in the locker room. You are playing semantics.
 
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roguenuke said:
It is wrong to assume they are a danger just because of the gender they were born to.
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It is not wrong to be wary of one who claims to be what he obviously is not; nor is it wrong to be wary of someone who insists on going where he has no legitimate business going.

It is certainly not wrong to be wary of a man who claims to be a woman, and wants to go into a women's locker room. It is very much wrong not to be wary of such a person.

roguenuke said:
Are you a danger to women in any public place? Would you attack a woman if you were alone with her in the gym or a locker room? If not, then why do you assume other guys would or are?
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I would never be in a women's locker room, so it is moot to speculate about how I would conduct myself if I were. If my sense of decency was sufficiently broken that I would seek to go into ladies' dressing facilities, then I'd have to say that it would not be safe to assume, at that point, that my sense of decency wasn't also too broken to restrain me from otherwise behaving in highly inappropriate and harmful manners toward the ladies whose privacy I was already thus invading.
 
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LaylaWindu said:
It's possible she was going to try that but I'm not sure what she has to "successfully" sue over. People try to sue for everything nowadays.
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It doesn't have to be successful to cost planet fitness money.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
So what if calling someone a pervert is disrespectful? Since when does being a pervert entitle one to respect? I'll save my respect for those who appear to deserve it. A creepy perverted man who goes into women's locker rooms does not qualify for my respect.
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Just adding my two cents Bob... you be you. That is not a bad thing either...
 
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roguenuke said:
So? Those things are not equivalent to attacks. And women do it to men, some to other women. Men do it to men.

And most rapes occur when the person knows the other, date rape. Attack type rapes rarely happen, but when they do, they generally don't occur in a public, "high traffic" (or at least the potential) area. Can you show any stats on women being attacked by men or transgendered women in a similar setting?
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Why do you keep using SOLELY the term "attack"? She implied safety when she mentioned that they needed to "protect".

He said her safety was compromised by having a "man" in the locker room, which indicates that he believes a man in the locker room is a danger to women in the locker room. You are playing semantics.
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No... you are using a term that is more dramatic than we are using in an attempt to belittle and refute our point, that is all.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Bob Blaylock said:
No, a man does not have as much right as a woman to be in a women's locker room. That's why it's a women's locker room.

And it is not “hateful” to point this out. This is probably where those of you on the far-wrong are eventually going to lose—your relentless insistence on labeling what the vast majority know to be common sense, common decency, and the plain truth as “hateful”, “bigoted”, or whatever.
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It's basically diversity to an insane level for the sake of modern day political correctness. Their charge of bigotry is even more ludicrous.
 
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countryboy said:
Yeah, sure you are.

This person was a man in the women's locker room. She had every right to be upset.
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Yes I am sure I am hahahah. Upset initially, yes maybe, after it was explained to her thats that. If she don't like it tough. Her bigotry doesn't get to make the rules as she found out.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
It's basically diversity to an insane level for the sake of modern day political correctness. Their charge of bigotry is even more ludicrous.
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It's pretty much the standard wrong-wing defense for any otherwise indefensible position that they advocate—that one who opposes that position must be a “bigot” for not agreeing with it.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
If you are a woman, and the presence of a creepy perverted man, such as this one, in a locker room where you are undressing, does not make you feel unsafe and uncomfortable, then you are not representative of women in general. The vast majority of women would be very uncomfortable in such a situation, and very rightly so, and it is entirely unfair to characterize them as “bigots” for being so.

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Actually I am because most women aren't bigots. Also there was no "creepy perverted man" in the locker room. Please provide proof the "vast majority of women" are uncomfortable nor as anybody called them bigots for being uncomfortable, try not to misrepresent what was said and post lies please.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Bob Blaylock said:
No, a man does not have as much right as a woman to be in a women's locker room. That's why it's a women's locker room.

And it is not “hateful” to point this out. This is probably where those of you on the far-wrong are eventually going to lose—your relentless insistence on labeling what the vast majority know to be common sense, common decency, and the plain truth as “hateful”, “bigoted”, or whatever.
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Yes in this case they do because Planet Fitness makes the rules. I have no idea why you would ever try to deny that fact.
Again you are posting a lie, what is hateful is claiming there is a danger when there was't one. If you don't like the definitions of words that is your issue not mine, I simply probably use words.
 
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roguenuke said:
It is her irrational fear that makes her feel unsafe, not the transgendered person in the locker room or even a man in the locker room.
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What normal woman wouldn't fear a large perverted man walking into a woman's locker room wearing women's clothing? And it is the average member that Plant Fitness should be more concerned with. It's only a matter of time before some pervert walks into the women's locker room and molests a teenager or a child. Then the Planet Fitness identity neutral locker room policy will look pretty stupid. Diversity is one thing....diversity to an insane level is just stupid.
 
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