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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

rocket88 said:
There's plenty of righties playing victim here too. The woman in question had the right to go to a different gym if she disagreed with this gym's policies. It should have been made clear to her that this gym, a business, had a certain policy and she could go elsewhere if she chose not to live with it. If it continued to happen (which may be the case), then she could have her membership revoked for choosing not to abide by the policy.

For all the talk of a business having the right to terminate an employee for not adhering to the owner's religious whims, you'd think the right would support a business' right to its own policy.
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This is all true. Businesses are not bound by the first amendment. People are always free to choose to go elsewhere.

If they lost business over this I am sure Planet Fitness would change their policy.
 
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Samhain said:
He's referring to Premises Liability.
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which already exists everywhere and is not CREATED by this equality policy
hence bringing us back the fact that theres no evidence the gym failed to provide a safe and protective environment
 
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AGENT J said:
which already exists everywhere and is not CREATED by this equality policy
hence bringing us back the fact that theres no evidence the gym failed to provide a safe and protective environment
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Is there evidence they are allowing men in the women's locker room? Then they are failing to provide a safe and protective environment.
 
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AGENT J said:
which already exists everywhere and is not CREATED by this equality policy
hence bringing us back the fact that theres no evidence the gym failed to provide a safe and protective environment
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Based on this story, no. If anything happens to a customer/employee that occurs due to their "sincere self-identification" policy, then it would.
 
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clownboy said:
Is there evidence they are allowing men in the women's locker room? Then they are failing to provide a safe and protective environment.
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Just your opinion and nothing more, unfortunately evidence requires more than sensitive and judgement feelings.
Let us know when you have that evidence that proves they failed to provide a safe and protective environment, please do so in your next post, thanks.
 
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clownboy said:
Is there evidence they are allowing men in the women's locker room? Then they are failing to provide a safe and protective environment.
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That's something for a personal injury lawyer in Michigan to research and argue. I don't think anyone on here knows MI case law in that space to make an informed opinion.
 
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Samhain said:
Based on this story, no. If anything happens to a customer/employee that occurs due to their "sincere self-identification" policy, then it would.
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No based on any story.
"sincere self-identification" isn't a liability

if somethign would happen, safety in general would have to be attacked, since theres no law or facts that make transgenders dangerous, they are people like anybody else. If a person tried a court case STRICTLY on transgender alone they would lose and lose big just like they would lose if it was based on region or race etc
 
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AGENT J said:
Just your opinion and nothing more, unfortunately evidence requires more than sensitive and judgement feelings.
Let us know when you have that evidence that proves they failed to provide a safe and protective environment, please do so in your next post, thanks.
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Nope, that's solely your opinion. In fact that's precisely why PF sought to muzzle the women by cancelling her membership, because she was telling other people what was going on.
 
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AGENT J said:
No based on any story.
"sincere self-identification" isn't a liability

if somethign would happen, safety in general would have to be attacked, since theres no law or facts that make transgenders dangerous, they are people like anybody else. If a person tried a court case STRICTLY on transgender alone they would lose and lose big just like they would lose if it was based on region or race etc
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They wouldn't argue that. They would simply state that PF's policy of self-identification allowed anyone to claim they were a women for the purposes of X in the ladies locker room. Open shut case; pay damages. Lawyers would line up for that one.
 
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Samhain said:
That's something for a personal injury lawyer in Michigan to research and argue. I don't think anyone on here knows MI case law in that space to make an informed opinion.
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Oh, just ask Agent J, he knows "for a fact". :lamo
 
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Samhain said:
1.)They wouldn't argue that.
2.) They would simply state that PF's policy of self-identification allowed anyone to claim they were a women for the purposes of X in the ladies locker room.
3.) Open shut case; pay damages.
4.) Lawyers would line up for that one.
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1.) of course not because they would lose big
2.) they could argue this all they want but they would have to show the factual danger which they cant
3.) nope not without proof that the policy is the danger and not the premises in general
4.) now they wouldn't without proof, lawyers like having proof

they would have to attack the safety of the facility in general without proof the policy is the culprit basic evidence 101
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

clownboy said:
Nope, that's solely your opinion. In fact that's precisely why PF sought to muzzle the women by cancelling her membership, because she was telling other people what was going on.
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Yeah, but in Planet Fitness's defense, as evidenced by the photos, there really wasn't a secret.

I think the only real argument (made by someone earlier) is that customers are not notified of the policy up front. I think the woman should have been refunded her deposit and the prorated portion of her last month's membership. No harm, no foul.

Planet Fitness should then also be required to notify clients of their policy on self-identification to give the customer a fair chance to withdraw their application.

Granted, that last bit, while fair, would never be adopted willingly by Planet Fitness and would likely require a court order or state regulation.
 
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clownboy said:
Nope, that's solely your opinion. In fact that's precisely why PF sought to muzzle the women by cancelling her membership, because she was telling other people what was going on.
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now you are claiming the lie that PF tried to shut her up because of this? lol
links? proof? facts

sorry but there is 100% ZERO evidence in this story that they failed to provide a safe and protective environment,
if you disagree simply provide any facts that support your false claim in your next post, thanks
Facts win again
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

AGENT J said:
now you are claiming the lie that PF tried to shut her up because of this? lol
links? proof? facts

sorry but there is 100% ZERO evidence in this story that they failed to provide a safe and protective environment,
if you disagree simply provide any facts that support your false claim in your next post, thanks
Facts win again
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Did they cancel her membership or not? Look at the facts. No, NOT your opinions, but the actual facts. Should be a frightening and new experience for you.
 
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clownboy said:
1.)Did they cancel her membership or not?
2.) Look at the facts. No, NOT your opinions, but the actual facts. Should be a frightening and new experience for you.
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1.) yes because of policy violations, fact
2.) i did and the prove your claims to be factually wrong
Facts win again
ill ask you again, if you disagree simply provide any facts that support your false claim in your next post, thanks
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) yes because of policy violations, fact
2.) i did and the prove your claims to be factually wrong
Facts win again
ill ask you again, if you disagree simply provide any facts that support your false claim in your next post, thanks
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SSDD. The facts are there, you don't wish to acknowledge them because they counter your opinion. But then you know this.
 
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clownboy said:
1.) The facts are there
2.) you don't wish to acknowledge them because they counter your opinion.
3.) But then you know this.
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1.) yes and the facts are her membership was pulled for violating policy, repeatedly after being asked not too.
2.) you havent provide any facts to acknowledge no does my opinion play any role. Deflections dont help your factually proven wrong claims.
3.) yes i know you havent provided one fact that supports your proven wrong claims

again if you disagree PLEASE, you are free to provide any evidence that supports your posts. All we need is ONE fact that proves your claims true, thanks
 
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countryboy said:
I don't blame her. Their dangerous PC policy is bull****.
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There is nothing legitimately "dangerous" about their policy. The store I work at has a less restrictive policy than that regarding fitting rooms and restrooms, as do many places nowadays. Ignorance and paranoia leads to the belief that a transgendered woman is more likely to attack or sexually harass a person in the female locker room than anyone else.
 
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roguenuke said:
There is nothing legitimately "dangerous" about their policy. The store I work at has a less restrictive policy than that regarding fitting rooms and restrooms, as do many places nowadays. Ignorance and paranoia leads to the belief that a transgendered woman is more likely to attack or sexually harass a person in the female locker room than anyone else.
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They are harassing them by being there, plain and simple. No different than the perv in the raincoat watching you.
 
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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

clownboy said:
Is there evidence they are allowing men in the women's locker room? Then they are failing to provide a safe and protective environment.
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There is no legitimate danger to anyone by allowing those who identify as a gender they weren't born as in the locker rooms. It is illegal to sexually assault a person no matter their relative sexes.
 
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clownboy said:
They are harassing them by being there, plain and simple. No different then the perv in the raincoat watching you.
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No they aren't. There is no harassment there, only your archaic notions that men and women can't see each other naked in a nonsexual manner, ever.
 
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Samhain said:
He's referring to Premises Liability.
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Are you going to claim they have less liability if a woman attacks someone in the ladies locker room than a transgender woman?
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) yes and the facts are her membership was pulled for violating policy, repeatedly after being asked not too.
2.) you havent provide any facts to acknowledge no does my opinion play any role. Deflections dont help your factually proven wrong claims.
3.) yes i know you havent provided one fact that supports your proven wrong claims

again if you disagree PLEASE, you are free to provide any evidence that supports your posts. All we need is ONE fact that proves your claims true, thanks
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Why even bother to post. We all know what you're going to say. Fact is their policy about speaking badly about their policies to other members is a no-go. They just don't have the legal authority to make said policy. But all she had to do was to inform others of the policy and they saw the problem for themselves. They did indeed wish to silence her, and they did. It's all there in the OP which has provided all the facts. Facts you seemingly want to ignore.

Anyone want to guess what you'll post next? :lamo
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

roguenuke said:
Ignorance and paranoia leads to the belief that a transgendered woman is more likely to attack or sexually harass a person in the female locker room than anyone else.
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I don't think that's the issue. I think people are more worried about some random guy posing as a transgendered woman to gain access. Someone already inclined to creepy behavior could very easily make use of such policies for their own purposes.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
They allowed a man to freely go into the women's locker room, while women were in there undressing.

That is absolutely a failure to provide a safe and protective environment for the women involved.
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No failure, since there is no legitimate evidence that anyone is in any danger even if they let anyone use any locker room, no matter which sex/gender they identified as.
 
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